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VS & Star Alliance

Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:31 pm

Apologies if this has been posted and answered before. Why, as they are 49% owned by SQ, is VS not part of Star? Ownership aside, now that they have started Australia and soon to start India, it would seem logical to be part of an alliance which would benefit them.
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:52 pm

Very good point!

It makes all the sense for VS to join Star, especially because they could provide Star with an additional hub in Europe: LHR.

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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:58 pm

good question as well, this does need to be addresed, VS also codeshare with NZ on the LHR-LAX route as well,

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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:01 am

With VS both LHR AND LGW would become Star hubs. That is a very good question Scotron11.

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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:01 am

I imagine it is BD related.
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:09 am

But LHR is already considered as a Star hub. You can fly with one their airlines to every continent from there and make a domestic connection with BMI.

VS would strenghen Star's hub in LHR, but not implement something what isn't already there.
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:23 am

VS would be better-served with SkyTeam (which has no British entrant), though that alliance is very top-heavy now.
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:59 am

Hello,

Apologies if this has been posted and answered before. Why, as they are 49% owned by SQ, is VS not part of Star? Ownership aside, now that they have started Australia and soon to start India, it would seem logical to be part of an alliance which would benefit them.

Just to let you know that VS have been serving DEL for a couple of years now using their own a/c (I believe A343) but using AI frequencies. They've recently been awarded their own frequencies to both DEL and BOM.

Thanks!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:19 am

I asked that question before and got the answer, that it is because of LH/UA since VS would take too much of their trans-atlantic business.

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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:47 am

As a VS frequent flyer I'm glad they are not in Star.

I already can get VS miles on BD, HP, CO, DL, NZ SQ flights plus more, and this suits me fine.

I'd imagine demand for reward flights would increase alot if VS were to join Star so I'm against it.

I'm happy as things are.
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:50 am

VS will never be able to join an alliance as SRB doesn't agree them. Same as they will never be able to operate twins long-haul....  Acting devilish
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:23 am

horrible idea!!! no benefit for VS to join STAR. Except for NZ and SQ they are all a bunch of mediocre airlines. As we've discussed before. VS, SQ, EK, NZ and VS should form their own alliance
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:25 am

I hope they never do. STAR is way too crowded and then they would have to paint one of their beautiful planes in the STAR world domintation scheme Laugh out loud

With VS both LHR AND LGW would become Star hubs

I don't agree on the LGW part. If anything Oneworld currently dominated North terminal, but there is a good mix.

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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:28 am

RTFM:

Here's my idea. Take a 777 and put fake GE90-sized pods on the outside. If necessary, give them fans and allow them to windmill uselessly. Then SRB will surely buy.
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:37 am

N328KF - ROFLMAO!!!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:39 am

BTW, it'd still probably have a higher payload and lower fuel burn than the A340-600.  Big grin

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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:37 am

I think that VS in Star Alliance would be very beneficial for BD/VS at LHR, but there are also negative matches between VS and other members of Star:
VS/SA - competing on LHR-South African routes;
VS/UA - competing on LHR-USA routes;
VS/LH - LH may be concerned at their own long-haul business being taken away??
VS/BD - PERFECT..... bring it on!
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:42 am

If that were to happen, then BA and AA could make a good case before the regulatory authorities to have their proposed codeshare agreement approved without having to give up Heathrow slots. Remember that this issue was why they backed down last time. They weren't willing to give up LHR slots.
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:42 am

horrible idea!!! no benefit for VS to join STAR. Except for NZ and SQ they are all a bunch of mediocre airlines. As we've discussed before. VS, SQ, EK, NZ and VS should form their own alliance

At the risk of being flamed, I agree.

I hope they never do. STAR is way too crowded and then they would have to paint one of their beautiful planes in the STAR world domintation scheme :P

My sentiments exactly.

Is there any chance of Virgin maybe starting up its own alliance?
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:05 am

I doubt it - even though VS may be a well respected brand and quality airline they are still quite small. And remember that SQ have defected once already, I can't see them being in a real hurry to do so again. NZ are hardly going to ditch the cover of one of the big 3 alliances for a speculative punt with VS and EK seem to be doing quite well on their own a the mo' and what would they need VS for anyway..?
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:19 am

I think that's a bad idea for VS. They don't need an alliance, they have created their own culture with some very loyal consumers. What they should do is come up with a VirginEurope for european connections.

Oversees they already have VirginBlue in Australia, VirginNigeria, VirginAmerica is planned and I've heard rmors of a VirginChina or something like that.

So basicaly they have opened/planned a Virgin branch for local connections in every large market in the world, drawing in even more market shares.

As for Brazil, I doubt they could be succesful with a VirginBrasil, but they could always partner with TAM.

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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:37 am

PPVRA:

I think that's a bad idea for VS. They don't need an alliance, they have created their own culture with some very loyal consumers. What they should do is come up with a VirginEurope for european connections.:

I've got an idea. They can take over an ailing Belgian carrier, equip it with Boeing 737s, and call it Virgin Express. They can fly all over from from Brussels! Hey...wait a minute...
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:45 am

I've got an idea. They can take over an ailing Belgian carrier, equip it with Boeing 737s, and call it Virgin Express. They can fly all over from from Brussels! Hey...wait a minute...

Doesn't help much if VirginExpress doesn't connect in London for Virgin's intercontinental flights...

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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:16 am

There were rumours that VS would swallow BD up.

I would love to see the VS A32X's again, they were cool little birds. I sure wish they would do euro ops but it won't happen so not point wishing!
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:26 am

As for Brazil, I doubt they could be succesful with a VirginBrasil, but they could always partner with TAM.

Maybe a VirginPeru?

I say this because I think that there might be a market there, since N6 is practically dead and none of the other airlines there with the exception of LAN have that big of a network, and LAN is quite disliked by most Peruvians because it's Chilean.
 
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:27 am

VS will only swallow BD over Sir Michael Bishops dead body. VS and BD might have very large minority shareholders in SQ and LH respectively, but the controlling stakes are held by two very strong minded and independent men - Sir Richard and Sir Michael. Previous merger talks apparently broke down regarding the structure of the carrier and a role for Sir Michael Bishop. Things might have thawed a little now, but basically both are treading an independent path.

As regards alliances VS is very much an O&D carrier based at LHR, with more leisure focused routes at LGW and MAN. Selective codeshares provide VS with the model it wants for airline co-operation, e.g. BD, CO, MH among others.
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RE: VS & Star Alliance

Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:45 am

Come to think of it, why did SQ buy their stake in the first place? I know 49% isn't control, but surely it gives you something to say. Where is the strategic fit for them. It can't be trans-atlantic as they already have UA/LH.

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