mozart
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World's Most Remote Airport?

Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:51 pm

Just a question here: which is the world's most remote airport with scheduled pax or civilian cargo traffic, EXCLUDING INTER-ISLAND FLIGHTS? Measurements in kms/mi/nms, not time.

The reason I put in the "excluding inter-island flights" constraint is that, for instance, a place like PPT is quite remote if you consider the next "big" airport (Rarotonga I guess), but it's not remote at all if you consider all the smaller French Polynesian airports clustered around it. Therefore I would like to exclude the latter category. Same goes for HNL: remote from everything other than some other Hawaiian Island.

However, I would include flights that go beyond an island group, for instance HNL-MAJ, which is a link between the Hawaiian Islands and the Marshall Islands.

So, what are your candidates? Mine is Isla de Pasqua (IPC/SCIP), which is 2,030 nm from its next airport, which is SCL.
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:07 am

Possibly Easter Island.

I recall a/c going there needed to call in about 3 hours out on HF to confirm the previous a/c cleared the runway and it was clear of other obstructions, else they diverted.
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:12 am

Oh, actually I need to add to my previous post: I think Ascension Island in the Atlantic is even more remote. The only scheduled traffic that it sees is Royal Air Force to the Falklands and Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, usually operated by an RAF Tristar, or by an Airbus A 320 from Air Luxor!

The distance from Ascension to Brize Norton is 3,796 nm!
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:24 am

Amundsen-Scott in Antarctica. Only accessible part of the time by ski-eqiupped USAF C-130s.
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:25 am

But ASI is only 1,143 from FNA!!
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:28 am

Ascencion Island to Recife Brazil is a fairly short distance 1500 nm maybe.
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:48 am

Roblondon70 and Bobnwa,

you are absolutely right, and upon re-reading my question I must say that I misstated my question.

Actually I wanted to know about the most remote airport in terms of the closest scheduled destination. As you correctly point out, geography-wise ASI is close to both Brazil and Africa, but since there are no flights to neither Brazil nor Africa, but the only flights going to ASI are the ones stopping there on their way from the UK to the Falklands, it is remote using my originally intended "definition".

Thanks for your replies, I am really happy to have "two types of answers" here.

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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:18 am

What about some aiports in Siberia, Russia. Pretty big distances between cities since Siberia is extremely big.
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:40 am

If you're a WN or DAL fan......DFW.

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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:50 am

@Mozart: Air Luxor has TriStars too (not sure how many of them are actually airworthy now...) and I am sure they would use those to fly to the Falklands rather than their arguably more fancy A320's.

Regarding most distant airport: what about Longyearbyen? Or Petropavlovsk-Kamchatka?
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:14 am

Shemya US Air Force Station-out at the end of the Aleutian chain. The only scheduled flight is a FX DC10/MD11 to bring supplies once every 2-3 months.
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:19 am

Iqaluit, Nunavut, Canada.
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:31 am

Probably Easter Island, There are no alternate airports you can divert to from there in all but the longest-ranged aircraft...

All flights to/from Easter Island have to operate to a tightly controlled schedule in order to avoid conflicts. Even within that system, clearence is not given by ATC for a flight to pass the point of no return until the runway is clear - no 2 aircraft are ever permitted to become committed to land at IPC incase the first one fails on the runway...

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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:27 am

BuyantUkhaa,

you're right, Air Luxor has some Tristars, but according to Ascension Island's website they are using Airbusses:

http://www.ascension-island.gov.ac/visitors.htm

Wonder how they cover that distance? The A320 doesn't have that much range, unless they really load-restrict it, but given that this flight is something like a lifeline to Ascension and to Falkland, I would imagine it to be rather stuffed with cargo.

Longyearbyen has BU flights to Tromso, which is a mere 519nm. Petropavlovsk-Kamchatksa has flights to Vladivostok, which is 1196nm.


Noise,

I guess Iqaluit really feels very distant, but there are flights to YOW, which is 1196nm. Still I'ld love to travel up there once (only done so in my flight sim so far).

For me it still looks like Ascension Island.

 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:36 am

PER is very far from the nearest international airport (ADL), but there are plenty of other much smaller regional airports in Western Australia.

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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:57 am

The Ascension Island website just says the flights are operated by an Air Luxor Airbus - which is correct, they use their A330s. Until earlier this year the contract had been operated for a while by bmi with their "spare" A330.

The photo on their web page of the Air Luxor Airbus taking-off from Wideawake Airfield made me suspicious;



I didn't have to look far and it turned out to be an airliners.net photo of an Air Luxor A320 leaving Funchal

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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:10 am

Blytheville, Arkansas. No kidding it's in the middle of nowhere  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:27 am

Crosswind,

you're right. I couldn't believe it either. The A320 simply doesn't have the range. And on surfing the Ascension website a bit more, they do indeed refer to "Tristar and A330 flights". Now that makes sense to me!

Other question, though: why Air Luxor and not one of the UK charters? And what is it like to fly with the RAF as a civilian pax?
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:04 am

Strictly speaking, there is a nearer airport to Easter Island than SCL which is Mangareva (Gambier Island) in eastern French Polynesia, where Air Tahiti flies from PPT several times weekly on ATR7. IPC-GMR is 1406nm apart but there are of course, no scheduled services between them.

Also, Kiritimati (Christmas) Island, Kiribati is pretty remote too, it's about 1000++ nm from any airport. I believe AQ used to have scheduled (or was it charter?) services HNL-CXI but not sure if this is still the case. I once read that to fly to the capital of Kiribati (Tarawa) from there, one has to fly to HNL first, then to Majuro, and finally change to Tarawa. That's involving 2 foreign countries just to travel between the two ends of the same country.

 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:31 am

Aerovias DAP (Chilean Patagonia Airline) route map (nothe Tierra del Fuego island, shared by Chile and Argentina at the end of South America... the truly end of the world)



Destinations from Punta Arenas (PUQ)
In Chile:
Porvenir (WPR)
Cerro Sombrero (SMB)
Puerto Williams (WPU)
Puerto Natales (PNT)

In Argentina
Río Gallegos (RGL)
Río Grande (RGA)
Ushuaia (USH) (Also flown by LA from SCL)
Calafate (FTE)

Plus:
Islas Malvinas/Falkland (MPN) (also flown by LA from SCL)

Easter Island is indeed the most remote island from mainland.

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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:14 pm

For anyone that's actually been there: DEN.  Big grin
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:15 pm

Would Guam rate in the category?
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:32 pm

What about Alert, NWT? I guess it would be Nunavut now, not NWT. At 82.5° N 62.3° W it is so far north and away from everything. Although it really only gets military scheduled service.
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:35 pm

By applying Etops 60 to the GCM cant you just pick out the most remote airport, which i estimate to be that one west of south america. Of course i doubt GCM has all the airports and i dont know whether that particular airport has a sheduled service.



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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:13 pm

Speaking of Alert Airport in far north Canada, what is it used for anyways? As far as for remote airports, Easter Island gets my vote.


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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:34 pm

PER is very far from the nearest international airport (ADL), but there are plenty of other much smaller regional airports in Western Australia.

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Perth is the most isolated city in the world, going by that theory PER is the most isolated airport. However there are (at least I think, never been to perth) numerous smaller airports around it.
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:52 pm

I would also have guessed Siberia and the Kamchatka Peninsula in the Russian Far East. There are airports there for emergencies that can handle 744 and 772's...as they are last ditch backups that UA uses for flights to Asia. My Dad was tellling me that flight crews were shown pictures of the thawed out runways and facilities for air crews there...not a place you'd want to be for a long period of time yourself, let alone a few hundred pax.  Insane

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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:58 pm

"Perth is the most isolated city in the world, going by that theory PER is the most isolated airport. However there are (at least I think, never been to perth) numerous smaller airports around it."

There are plenty of airports in south-western Western Australia, Albany, Kalgoorlie, Carnavon all have scheduled services (that I can think of off the top of my head). Of course, in world terms, these probably wouldn't be considered "close" to Perth, but it certainly stops Perth from being the most isolated airfield with scheduled services in the world. It is one of the most isolated international airports though, and must be the most isolated airport to be served with scheduled 747s.

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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:01 pm

My best friend will be going to Easter Island today actually (December 14th). I'll try and get her to take pictures, and maybe formulate a trip report. Sure wish I was going....
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:27 pm

Los Cabos, Mexico (SJD) is remote in the sense that it is a 20 minute drive from either Cabo San Lucas or San Jose del Cabo through totally undeveloped land. In fact, SJD it has its own road of some 15-20 km in length for access from the cities it serves; the modern paved road ends at the airport and serves literally nothing but the airport.
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:49 pm

Alert is a signals intelligence collection and geolocation facility, radio HFDF facility (SAR), and supports Department of Environment weather services and Arctic Researchers, both civilian and military. The key point is CFS Alert is the most northern permanently inhabited settlement in the world, which is key to it's remoteness and why I recommend it as "world's most remote airport", as you really can't get anywhere other than by air. 100% of its infrastructure is supported by cargo and pax aircraft only, no ships (too far north and not easily accessible by sea) and no roads.

Some distances to Alert:

Vancouver, BC 4264 km
Winnipeg, MB 3990 km
Toronto, ON 4344 km
Ottawa, ON 4151 km
Montreal, QC 4135 km
Halifax, NS 4183 km
Resolute Bay, NWT 1046 km
Thule, AFB, Greenland 676 km
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:22 pm

DCA! It is in Virginia, on the Confederate side of the Potomac. Practically another country. Love the place tough...
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RE: Remote Airport

Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:14 am

Anywhere where Ryanair flies to...  Big grin

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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:15 am

If Kerguelen only had an airport, or Tristan de Cunha...
 
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RE: World's Most Remote Airport?

Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:40 pm

What about Casey base in Antartica? They were planning a seasonal scheduled service from Hobart at some point IIRC.