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Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:57 pm

I noticed a few guesses about G4 potential cities on other threads so I thought Rick and the rest of the Allegiant gang might enjoy a thread about our collective guesses of potential cities. Allegiant is holding an employee party tonight so they probably won't see this for a day or 2.

Allegiant will receive a new aircraft this week and another on Jan 15 so we know several new cities are coming soon.

I thought I'd use some info from Harrahs annual survey of American Gamblers. Download at:
http://www.harrahs.com/about_us/survey/
Pages 26-27 listed the 55 cities that generate over 1 million annual trips to all gambling locations. It doesn't mean they are good destinations for LAS, both BTR and RDD appear on this list and they didn't turn out as good Allegiant cities. ( I guess RDD is more of a Reno city  Big grin )

But there are a few other cities on this list where gambling is popular but LAS service is lacking. So my SWAG guesses for Allegiant in 2005 are (in no particular order):
** Jackson MS
** Grand Rapids
** Flint
** Traverse City
** Duluth

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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:01 pm

I have heard chatter here in Grand Rapids (GRR) about a GRR-LAS flight and the ground ops would be serviced by Delta here in GRR.
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:14 pm

To add to that list:

FAR
RAP
LNK


[Edited 2004-12-14 05:22:06]
 
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:29 pm

ied say any city in the range of an md 80 with a descent population but with no more than about 50 flights daily. Most likely less than 30.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:46 pm

IFP IFP IFP IFP IFP IFP IFP IFP IFP  Angry

Why doesn't G4 have scheduled service into Bullhead City? I would think in the winter they would fill those 80s easily!!
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:54 pm

NIKV69,

Where the hell do u think they would schedule them too?
 
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:25 pm

I think G4 should get Twin Otters and fly them between IFP and LAS. LOL!
 
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:23 pm

Iowaman,

You ever been to Vegas? Or Laughlin? You look in those casinos and there are people from all over this country! Whatever city they fly into and out of I bet would love a flight to the desert for some SLOTS!

Wedgetail737,

Make it one of those CRJs and I would fly that route every week!
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:48 am

How about a combi to IFP?  Big thumbs up Most of the people I know who go to Laughlin want to take their boat or jetski to spend time on the river during the day. But they don't fit in the cargo area of most aircraft.
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:03 am

It would be cool if they did like one scheduled flight to LGB. I believe they have chartered there a couple times.


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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:07 am

Is the A/C above their charter livery, as apposed to their other more vibrant livery? I have seen the livery above at RDU several times... but not their colorful one.
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:56 am

That livery is their older livery. The more colorful is the new livery.

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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:28 am

You ever been to Vegas? Or Laughlin? You look in those casinos and there are people from all over this country! Whatever city they fly into and out of I bet would love a flight to the desert for some SLOTS!


Yes been to both, i've lived in LAS for 11 years. IFP doesn't have nearly as many vistors is LAS does. Where could Allegiant scheldue to?? IFP-DEN??
 
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:13 am

Sure why not? SCY flies that route. Every SCY flight that lands at IFP is always full. It's a market that is booming. I mean I am good for at least 2 flights maybe 3 in a 3 month span and I am only a part time resident of IFP!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:32 am

What about them doing casino charters into GPT? I'm sure they could fill a flights into GPT on a daily basis from say DFW, CLT, BWI or HOU. Considering that if you want to fly to GPT but don't live in ATL, MEM, IAH/HOU, TPA, FLL, or MCO, you have to fly to those cities in order to get to GPT (unless you have an airline that flies n/s to MSY or MOB, both of which are not too long of a drive from GPT.). AirTran used to run MCO-GPT, BNA-GPT, DFW-GPT, and HOU-GPT, but dropped them due to loads on those flights.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:11 am

The Christmas Party was great. As for a new city guess, mine would be MRY. Just a guess now.  Smile
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:18 am

G4 already does six to eight flights a week from and to RNO and IFP. Don't need scheduled.
How about TOL or SHV. Something near Maryville CA or Metford OR.
Where ever it goes there'll have to be a population base within 60 or so miles.
That's why RDD didn't work out.
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:08 am

Just because Harrah's brings in people to Laughlin using Allegiant doesn't mean they don't need scheduled service. Just the opposite. I think the fact of frequent charters means there are people that want to go there and would like to stay somewhere else besides Harrah's.
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:14 am

** Grand Rapids
** Flint
** Traverse City

The three above mentioned cities are already served with the flights that are offered from LAN! They should look at CAK to begin offering flights and even DAY would be a good choice as well.
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:01 am

Okay
ELP and A destination in Florida to be named soon?
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:21 am

A Florida city?

How about RSW?
 
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:25 am

** Grand Rapids
** Flint
** Traverse City

The three above mentioned cities are already served with the flights that are offered from LAN!


How is TVC served by flights offered at LAN? Look at a map and then take into account the brutal winters we have in Michigan and tell me how convenient it is to drive from TVC-LAN to catch a flight to Vegas.  Sleepy

Traverse City makes sense. Lots of snowbird/gamblers plus a new terminal and extra ticket counters would be appealing to the airline also.
 
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:32 am

Folks, Folks, Folks,

First, NikV69, sorry but IFP ain't gonna happen. A relatively small population would not support scheduled flights for G4. Also, all those people that come in for Harrahs are probably being flown in to IFP for free just to get them into Harrahs and gambling.

The Christmas party was fun but Maury didn't drop any major bombshells on us. I was hoping that he would throw us a bone but to no avail.

Also, the delivery of the next aircraft is currently delayed due to a maintenance issue in Oslo. Some kind of engine EGT problem. We should know something by tomorrow hopefully.

Rgds,

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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:48 am

Just in NIK's defense, how was Morris Air able to operate IFP in the past?
 
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:58 am

Wedgetail,

Where did Morris operate to out of IFP? Was it a profitable route for them or just some place they hung on to? Do you know if any of the hotels there were subsidizing them at all? I would have to have all the information before I could make an educated answer for you.

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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:53 pm

Maiznblu_757

Having lived in MI all my life until recently I know what I speak of. Having TVC is a very small market and one that the flights from LAN are already serving. The people who are taking these flights are looking for the lowest price and will drive to get it! If not they will stay loyal to NW and just fly from TVC. The hotels in the area of the LAN airport know that and offer a fly and stay program. It is only roughly 200+ miles.
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:36 pm


Having lived in MI all my life until recently I know what I speak of. Having TVC is a very small market and one...


TVC, with its new, much larger terminal is now ready to serve ALL of Northern Michigan. Its not just Traverse City's airport anymore.

Up until the mid 90's TVC had a few charters each year, mostly with 727's, to Las Vegas. If Allegiant does choose Traverse City, with nonstop service to Vegas a couple times a week, it will be profitable so long as they have a good ad campaign.

It is only roughly 200+ miles.
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:40 pm

That 200 miles would be like me driving to Albuquerque and back just to drop someone off at the Sunport there. 4 hours one way, it aint gonna happen.
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:57 pm

The ONLY market other than LAN even being discussed these days at Allegiant is GRR. So I don't think TVC has a shot. But, who knows, maybe someday down the road. The plan right now is to have 18 aircraft on property ( from 10 today) by the end of next year. Soooo, we'll have to have somplace to fly them.


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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:17 pm

Rick,

Morris operated Laughlin to SLC, OAK, LAX, and SJC. I'd have to pull some old schedules to see what kind of frequency they had.

Someone who knows that market more could tells us what kind of deals they may have had and how successful they were.
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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:26 pm

FATFlyer,

Interesting. Were they high frequency or just one or two flights a day? It amazes me that they could have made any money without being subsiduzed because IFP was alot smaller back then then it even is today! I'd love to see an old Morris schedule too.

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RE: Allegiant Air New City Guesses

Fri Dec 31, 2004 4:12 am

Pasco WA..................................................
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