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Old Or Young Fleet? Here's Fleet Age Charts!

Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:04 pm

For years I have calculated and updated the airline’s average fleet age in my database and want to present a small extract. It’s quite interesting seeing the differences.


Just some remarks:

- since I can only take years into consideration, there may be some slight variations; however, all figures affected in the same way
- decimals behind comma rounded
- fleet status as of end of October 2004
- mainline fleets only
- pax aircraft only



And yes, I know some fleets are larger than others and so on and so on. And no, old fleets don’t mean they are unsafe.  Wink/being sarcastic




Africa

Ethiopian: 6,9
Royal Air Maroc: 7,4
South African: 7,4
Air Mauritius: 7,6
Tunis Air: 8,4
Egypt Air: 8,9
Kenya Aws: 8,9
Air Algerie: 16,0
Comair: 19,8
Libyan Arab: 21,9
Nationwide: 24,3


Asia

Silk Air: 3,6
Air Macau: 3,8
Jet Airways: 4,3
Dragonair: 4,4
Hainan Als: 4,6
Singapore Als: 4,9
Shenzhen Als: 5,1
Shanghai Als: 5,4
Sichuan Als: 5,8
Vietnam Als: 5,8
China Eastern: 5,9
Korean Air: 6,2
Asiana: 6,5
Air Sahara: 6,8
Xiamen Als: 6,8
China Als: 7,1
Air China: 7,3
Transasia: 7,6
Cathay Pacific: 7,7
Uni Air: 7,8
China Southern: 7,9
Air Nippon: 8,1
EVA Air: 8,3
SriLankan: 8,7
FAT: 8,8
Royal Brunei: 9,1
Malaysia: 9,3
Philippines: 9,4
ANA: 9,5
Thai: 9,8
JTA: 9,9
JAL: 11,3
Garuda: 11,5
Indian Als: 13,7
Air India: 14,6
Air Asia: 16,0
PIA: 17,1
Lion Air: 19,3
Biman: 20,5
Bouraq: 23,7
Cebu Pacific: 26,0


Australia/Oceania

Virgin Blue: 1,7
Jetstar: 3,3
Air New Zealand: 6,6
Qantas: 9,1
Air Pacific: 9,3

Europe

Transavia: 2,8
LTU: 3,0
easyJet: 4,1
Malev: 4,4
bmi: 4,7
Air Berlin: 4,8
Air Malta: 5,0
Air Europa: 5,2
Ryanair: 5,7
Swiss: 5,7
Hapag Lloyd: 6,0
Aer Lingus: 6,4
First Choice: 6,4
LOT: 6,5
Lauda Air: 6,7
Virgin Atlantic: 6,8
Condor: 6,9
Finnair: 7,0
TAP: 7,1
Thomas Cook: 7,4
Austrian: 7,5
Iberia: 7,9
Air France: 8,1
British Airways: 8,1
SN Brussels: 8,1
SAS: 8,2
MyTravel UK: 8,4
Turkish: 8,5
Aegean: 8,8
Braathens: 8,9
CSA: 9,0
KLM: 9,2
Futura: 9,3
Britannia: 9,6
Virgin Express: 9,7
Lufthansa: 10,0
Spanair: 10,1
Alitalia: 10,4
dba: 10,7
Monarch: 10,7
Olympic: 11,0
Onur Air: 11,5
Aeroflot: 12,5
Air One: 13,3
Transaero: 13,3
Germania: 13,6
Meridiana: 14,1


Latin/South America

TACA: 3,3
Air Jamaica: 5,0
BWIA: 5,2
GOL: 5,5
COPA: 6,4
TAM: 7,3
LAN: 7,7
Rio Sul: 8,5
Mexicana: 9,1
Varig: 11,2
Aeromexico: 12,0
Avianca: 12,5
Austral: 19,1
Aerolineas Arg: 19,4
Aviacsa: 21,7
LAB: 23,6
Aerorepublica: 24,7
Vasp: 27,0
Aeropostal: 27,9
Aerocalifornia: 34,8


Middle East/Gulf region

MEA: 1,0
Emirates: 4,1
Oman Air: 4,3
Qatar Aws: 4,4
Gulf Air: 9,2
Kuwait Awys: 10,3
EL AL: 11,2
Saudi Arabian: 11,5
Royal Jordanian: 11,9
Yemenia: 13,1
Syrian Arab: 17,3
Iran Air: 20,6


North America

JetBlue: 1,9
AirTran: 3,1
Frontier: 3,1
Indy Air: 3,5
ATA: 3,8
Hawaiian: 4,4
Continental: 7,4
Air Canada: 8,9
Southwest: 9,0
Alaska: 9,3
United: 9,8
WestJet: 10,1
Midwest: 10,4
US Airways: 10,4
America West: 10,6
Air Transat: 10,7
JetsGo: 11,2
American: 11,6
Delta: 11,9
Aloha: 12,1
Spirit: 16,9
Northwest: 17,9





If you need the age of one particular airline (regional or cargo), let me know!



Regards
Udo


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Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:09 pm

Intersting figures..did it take you long to figure out?
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:26 pm

Congratulations Udo.
Very interesting! After your PTV thread and now this, could we expect more?
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:27 pm

Udo:
Awesome list!  Big thumbs up

Personally I prefer the older jetliners. If I had the choice between a DC-9 or A320, I'd take the DC-9.

My trip to Hawaii, I chose the UA 747-200 over the Aloha 737-700.
My trip to Cuba, I chose the CU IL-62 over the MX B757.

I am curious as to what the Nationwide consist of. What country in Africa is Nationwide based out of?
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:29 pm

Superfly-

I believe Nationwide is from South Africa
Now it should be "IFLYDCA"
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:40 pm

Thanks Udo.

How did u treat aircraft owned / leased, but not in use? Are they included?
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:57 pm

Hello everybody and thanks for your comments!


Malcolm,

I once started with the major airlines only and continuously added all the others. Every few weeks I update my database and whenever aircraft are added or leave the fleets, I calculate the changes.


Larry,

I also try to fly older jets whenever possible.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Nationwide Airlines (CE/NTW) is based in Lanseria, South Africa, and operates one B767-300ER, two B727-200 (A), one B727-100 and ten B737-200 (A).


PlaneSmart,

I only count active aircraft operated by a carrier, no matter if owned or leased. As soon as planes get stored, I remove them from the active fleet and “store” them as well in another file. In any case, average fleet age has to be updated.



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Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:41 pm

Here are some charts for regional airlines.

Please note: all planes below 12,7 tonnes excluded (e.g. J31, DHC-6).



Africa

SA Express 8,0


Asia

JAC: 13,0


Australia/Oceania

Air Tahiti: 3,8
Mount Cook: 4,7
Sunstate Als: 6,3
Eastern Austr.: 8,7
REX: 13,7
Skywest: 14,0
Airlink: 15,8
Air Nelson: 16,5


Europe

Alitalia Express: 3,2
Air Dolomiti: 3,9
Air Nostrum: 4,1
Blue1: 4,3
bmi regional: 5,0
Augsburg Aws: 5,3
BA CitiExpress: 6,1
LH Cityline: 6,5
Binter Canarias: 6,6
Brit Air: 6,6
Contactair: 6,6
Austrian Arrows: 6,7
Eurowings: 7,6
Regional: 7,8
flyBe: 8,0
Wideroe: 9,3
Portugalia: 9,6
Air Exel: 9,9
Cirrus Air: 9,9
Eurolot: 10,1
Cimber Air: 11,0
Malmö Aviation: 11,3
Carpatair: 11,7
KLM cityhopper: 11,9
Aer Arran: 13,1
Loganair : 14,7
VLM: 15,3
Skyways Express: 15,9
Alpi Eagles: 16,0
Flightline: 16,8
City Jet: 17,6


Latin/South America

Aeromar: 9,6
Aerolitoral: 11,9
Caribbean Star: 13,0
LIAT: 13,3
Caribbean Sun: 14,4
Aires: 16,1


North America

MidAtlantic: 0,6
Pinnacle: 1,5
Chautauqua: 2,5
ExpressJet: 3,2
PSA Als: 3,7
American Eagle: 3,8
Mesa Als: 3,9
ASA: 3,9
Horizon: 4,2
Skyway: 4,2
Trans States: 4,3
Comair: 4,8
Air Wisconsin: 5,2
Skywest: 5,2
Mesaba: 8,2
Allegheny: 11,3
Island Air: 11,6
Colgan Air: 12,1
Piedmont: 12,7
Chicago Express: 12,9
AC Jazz: 14,2
Shuttle America: 16,7



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And just some more airlines not mentioned earlier:



Africa

Nouvelair: 11,1
TAAG: 21,1


Asia

Bangkok Air: 3,3
Shandong Als: 5,1
Mandarin: 8,2
Mandala: 22,4
Phuket Air: 22,5
Orient Thai: 25,1
Jatayu Air: 27,3


Australia/Oceania

JetConnect: 16,5
Air Niugini: 16,8


Europe

GB Airways: 1,9
Sterling: 3,1
SunExpress: 3,1
Pegasus: 4,6
Tarom: 6,8
Germanwings: 7,1
Luxair: 7,3
Croatia Als: 7,4
Icelandair: 7,5
HLX: 8,2
Eurofly: 8,9
Adria Aws: 9,3
Cyprus Aws: 9,7
Martinair: 9,8
bmi baby: 10,4
Lithuanian: 12,1
Norwegian: 12,3
Air Baltic: 12,6
SkyEurope: 13,0
Aerosvit: 14,5
Corsair: 15,3
Jet2: 17,7
MNG Pax: 17,9
Nordic Airlink: 18,8
Fly Air: 21,4


Latin/South America

Air Caraibes: 3,3
Bahamasair: 15,7
Pluna: 16,3
TAME: 22,6


Middle East/Gulf region

Iran Aseman: 14,7


North America

USA 3000: 3,0
Skyservice: 4,4
North American: 7,0
World Awys: 13,5
TransMeridian: 17,9
Southeast Als: 21,9
Omni Air: 22,3
CanJet: 22,5
Champion Air: 23,8
Canadian North: 25,2
PanAm: 25,9





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Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:17 am

Lots of interesting figures to look at..and decipher. Udo, were your calculations the mean average or were they weighted? Just wondering?

Thanks for the research!

 
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:20 am

Wow! Interesting list! Must have been a lot of work...

Now I realize I've flown on airlines with one of the oldest fleets: TAME (22,6), LAB (23,6) and VASP (27,0), but on the other hand Transavia (2,8) with one of the youngest.

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Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:17 am

Superfly - Nationwide are a South African carrier, they operate domstic sectors and some short-haul internationals from Livingstone (Zambia) etc.

Check the photo database to confim, but I seem to remember they fly older versions of the 737.
 
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:27 am

Did Nationwide ever start that LGW route that was being touted last year?

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Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:53 am

Amazing list Udo thanks for all figures, what about Air Deccan
 
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:01 am

Tan flyr,

In order to get the figures, no matter if just one fleet type or total fleet, I sum up the age of every single plane involved. As I mentioned above, I can only consider years, not months. So a 2000 model counts as four years old and so on. Sure, there are variations, but all airlines are affected in the same way.


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Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:14 am

Karan,

Air Deccan's fleet age is 9,2 years.



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Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:28 am

I was wondering if you have the years for FedEx and UPS?
 
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:36 am

David, here it is:

UPS: 16,8
FedEx: 20,8


Regards
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P.S.: I will soon add an extra list for cargo operators
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:50 am

Hallo Udo,
it must be boring in the Oberpfalz these days...
As you are doing this great thing that - I am sure - we all enjoy...is it possible to get a list of our Venezuelan airlines. We already have Aeropostal in your first post. But do you have Santa Barbara, Aserca, Avior, Rutaca, LAI and Laser (easy, just one plane) ?
 
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:05 am

Thanx Udo.

Crappy P5´s fleet almost doubles AV´s fleet in age! Is SAM included in AV´s fleet?
 
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:18 am

Hi Chiguire,

it’s not as boring the Oberpfalz as it looks in these days!  Wink/being sarcastic I did most of the research some time ago. Permanent updates are no problem, all my work today was posting.
Of course, here come the Venezuelan airlines:

Avior: 14,5
Santa Barbara: 17,7
Rutaca: 26,0
Aserca: 36,4

Laser is a problem: I still have four planes listed – have they grounded three of them? Which is the one left? The average of the four is 36,8 years!


Please note: planes below 12,7 tonnes excluded (Beech 1900, Cessna Caravan and others). Another problem is fleet size: the smaller the fleet the less representative average figures are.



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PSA Als: 3,7

That can't be right, it's much lower than that. PSA's oldest plane was delivered on October 28, 2003.

PSA no longer flies the Dornier 328 turboprop, since September 7, 2004.

Allegheny: 11,3
Piedmont: 12,7


Allegheny was merged into Piedmont on July 1, 2004.
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:28 am

Hey Roberto,

no, SAM was not included in AV. Here are some more Colombian airlines:

Satena: 5,8
SAM: 11,5
West Caribb: 14,1
Inter: 31,5


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Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:38 am

Edward,

thanks for the update! New figures are:


PSA Als: 0,7
Piedmont: 12,3


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Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:11 am

I think its the PIA fokkers that are bringing their age so high.

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Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:23 am

Really really cool!!! Great work!!

So, I suppose Etihads fleet age would be app. 1/2 year, as they started only this year!? (and therfore would be the airline with the youngest fleet in the world at the moment?) Or did they buy used planes, too?

Another question: What is the oldest plane in your list still flying in passenger service? (and the oldest plane with german registration?) Would be nice to know!

Thanks for sharing your informations,

Greetings to the Oberpfalz

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Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:39 am

Hi Udo,

Nice list  Big grin

I had to laugh when i saw NWA leading the way in the United States. Thought that was pretty funny, but not surprising, lol.

Anyways,

Do you think you could do 3 cargo airlines for me?

UPS
Fedex
Airborne Express

?

Always wondered how long a majority of their planes were.

thanks!
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Hey Udo thanx. BTW: Inter went bankrupt at last! Thats what I call a pathetic airline.
 
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:06 am

Wow. Very impressive work Udo. I would be very interested in seeing the progress downwards in age of the NWA fleet since so many newer aircraft have been added in last few years and retirees made. Say for the last five?

Did you write your own programs for this or use a known database? What are your sources? My sincere complements.
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:41 am

Did Nationwide ever start that LGW route that was being touted last year?

The answer to that question is yes! I saw their 767 at LGW when I flew out of their last Saturday.
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:42 pm

Hi Udo,
A very impressive job!! I know that it takes hard work and you must be very dedicated in your research.Well done and very interesting to see. Keep up the good work!!
 
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:45 pm

Thanks again for all your comments!


Abbas,


A slight correction. I haven’t included PIA’s F-27 as I don’t get exact information on how many are still active. However, with all 11 F-27s, PIA average fleet age goes up to 22,2! The F-27’s average alone is 40,5!
PIA’s A300 and B747-200 keep the age up, too.



Lars,

Servus to Schwäbisch Gmünd!

I didn’t include Etihad as they only operate six aircraft at the moment. All are used ones, so their average is 5,7. That will change soon with loads of new deliveries to come by next year.
About your other questions: I don’t know which is the oldest in my database. Probably a B707-100 from 1959 or early 60s. And there are several operators with 40+ year old B727-100 or DC-8.
The problem is I don’t include several types (below 12,7 tonnes) plus certain others (which data is extremely hard to find about).

The oldest pax aircraft on German register could be WDL’s BAe-146-100, D-AWDL. It’s a 1983 model. The oldest freighter could be WDL’s F-27F D-BAKD (1961 model), but I’m not sure if it’s still active.



Warszawa,

No problem, here it is:

UPS: 16,8
FedEx: 20,8
ABX Air: 30,6



M404,

Unfortunately I cannot show figures from the last five years – the problem is I do not save old data but always only keep the latest figures. However, I can give you some interesting details about NWA.

Average age of every single type:

B744: 10,6
B742: 20,8
DC10: 25,3
A333: 0,6
A332: 0,2
B753: 1,4
B752: 12,7
A320: 9,7
A319: 2,7
DC95: 26,0
DC94: 36,1
DC93: 35,3
DC91: 37,7


Airbus fleet total (A330, A32X): 5,9
Boeing fleet total (B747,B757): 10,9
MDD fleet total (DC-10, DC-9): 32,5


NWA has taken delivery of 40 new planes in the last 2 years, so one can imagine how much the old ones weigh in the fleet. If you add one more new plane, age goes down by only 0,04 to 17,83 from 17,87. Would you take out some 10 DC-9, age went down to about 17,45. Way to go for NWA!

When I started the whole database some seven years back, I had no idea which software to use. No (affordable) one was perfect for it. I chose MS WORD and due to the huge amount of data I haven’t changed that since. It’s sometimes difficult to handle, but I’m fine with it. I find whatever I need to find.
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Wed Dec 15, 2004 5:51 pm

Udo

Thanks for the NW info. It sounds like both our methods are similar but you are much more dedicated than I. The info about rate of change for new aircraft is exactly what I was trying to do - fantastic. Just the example I want to show at work. I'll miss them as we have almost the same seniority dates but NW stopped flying the last DC9-10s in scheduled service so that will take a tiny bit more out when off the flight books.

Thanks so much and keep us up with annual updates.

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Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:56 am

Very nice work Udo

Am I missing Sun Country (SY) based out of MSP? I know their fleet varies seasonally as they lease in extra a/c for the USA winter months. Average age must be pretty low because of all 737-800 fleet? Their hangar is immediately next to the Champion Air one and you see the contrast between Champions all 727 fleet to Sun Country's 737 fleet.

Do you have an avg for SY?

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Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:16 am

Hello Udo,

You have both, Air Baltic (Latvian) and Lithuanian in your list. But what about Estonian Air (OV)?
 
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Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:44 am

thanks man!

Very interesting. I thought UPS was going to be around the 10-15 range tops, i was pretty surprised when it was about 20 ( I know they fly some very old 747's, dc-8's, and 727's, but with their 757's, 767's, and A300's being fairly new, at least most of them... still was quite surprised )

I was very shocked when i read:

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

ABX Air: 30,6

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

Sheez! Had no idea their fleet was that old! ( Knew they flew DC-9's but figured they werent that old compared to NWA's )

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RE: Old Or Young Fleet? Here's Fleet Age Charts!

Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:04 am

Coronado,

Sun Country's five B738 have an average of 3,0 years.


Treg,

the average for Estonian Air's six B735 is 9,2 years.


Warszawa,

ABX Air's DC-8s and DC-9s are in the mid-30s, and the "young" B762s already have an average of 20 years. So they reach a nice total of over 30!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Btw, from you wrote it seems you mixed up the age for UPS and FedEx? UPS is only 16,8 - their new A300s keep the average low indeed. FedEx has 20,8.


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Udo
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RE: Old Or Young Fleet? Here's Fleet Age Charts!

Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:15 am

Hi Udo,

vielen Dank für die Info.



Gruß,

Lars
 
Chiguire
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RE: Old Or Young Fleet? Here's Fleet Age Charts!

Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:39 am

Udo, I know the Oberpfalz is not boring  Big grin Having visted School in Frankonia for some years I just have to say that Big grin.

I a really impressed by the overview you have and how quick and easy you seem to find any airline in the world.
Acording to my information, Laser is only using the YV-881C.
Are you also counting planes that other operate for the ones listed ? So e.g. Santa Barbara. To come down to an average of "only" 17,7 from their DC10 and 727 Dinos you count the 757 from Transmeridian apart of their ATR, do you ?
Then you also have the Falcon Air 727 counted for Aeropostal.

You should make some money out of your work !
 
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RE: Old Or Young Fleet? Here's Fleet Age Charts!

Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:44 pm

Foxecho
Nationwide operate to LGW three times a week, there was talk of them getting another 767 for other international routes.

Udo
The high figure for Nationwide is interesting, as is your comment about older fleets not necessarily being unsafe, I have flown Nationwide several times and felt very comfortable. However I am hesitant to fly Kulula.com or 1Time for some reason, do you have information on their fleets?

I think that if you had performed this exercise on SAA a couple of years ago the number would have been very different!
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Udo
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RE: Old Or Young Fleet? Here's Fleet Age Charts!

Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:55 pm

Chiguire,

where exactly did you go to school in Franken? So I guess you had many nice visits to the neighboring civilized part of Bavaria (Oberpfalz)???  Wink/being sarcastic  Wink/being sarcastic How did you like our famous “Oberpfälzer Dialekt”?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Thanks for the update on Laser! Sometimes it’s not easy to get info on stored aircraft. Indeed with my database I can have access to any airline and any aircraft worldwide within seconds.
Well, as for counting aircraft that operate others for certain airlines, that depends. If it’s only short term lease, I don’t transfer them. If the contract is longer I do pass them forward. In Santa Barbara’s case, the B757 and ATRs are included. Without those types, S3’s fleet of B727 and DC-10s would have an average of 27,0 years.
Yes, I count Falcon’s three B727 to Aeropostal’s fleet.

Making money out of it would be nice…  Wink/being sarcastic Maybe one day, time will tell. Most important, it’s great fun!



Andz,

Kulula.com is just the marketing name for Comair’s low frills services, they are no independent airline. So planes might be switched between Comair and Kulula.com operations. At the moment, six aircraft fly in Kulula.com colors, four MD-82 (average 21 years) one B737-400 (1992 model) and one B737-200 (A) (1981 model).

1Time operates three DC-9-30s, average age is 34,7 years. I’m not sure if they also operate two MD-82 (average 19 years) – I haven’t received reliable info on them yet.

It's true, SAA has gone a long way down with its fleet age. Not many years ago, the average was around 12-13 years.



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Udo
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Chiguire
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RE: Old Or Young Fleet? Here's Fleet Age Charts!

Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:43 pm

How did you like our famous “Oberpfälzer Dialekt”?
 Laugh out loud I think everybody in Frankonia likes it...  Wink/being sarcastic

Thanks for all that info..
 
Udo
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RE: Old Or Young Fleet? Here's Fleet Age Charts!

Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:30 am

As I promised earlier, I have now added charts for cargo operators. Just go to:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1865117/


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Udo
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