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No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:20 pm

A few years back when ATC was inefficient with the opening of the new runway at NRT, we were No. 10 for take-off. With all the heavies in front of us plus some arrival traffic, it took about 30 minutes for the line to dwindle down for our turn. I have been to ORD and have been in some lengthy lines in the teens but since its mostly smaller jets, less spacing, so less wait.

I am sure somebody's got a large number for waits. Want to share any stories?
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:26 pm

I think we were around 35 during a late evening rush at EWR around this time last year... I think it took a good 90 minutes from the time we entered the queue to the time we took off...

Of course the captain always says how you are "almost next" or "it should only be another 5-10 minutes"  Big grin
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:32 pm

Years ago at I boarded a late afternoon Delta flight from LGA to ATL. LGA had been shut down twice that day due to severe thunderstorms. We left the gate about an hour late, which seemed ok until we were told from the cockpit that we were number 47 for departure. We were on the ground for 2 1/2 hours before we took off. Nice flight.
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:38 pm

April 26,04 PHL-YYZ on an Jazz Dash8.
Weather in PHL was horrible with strong winds, heavy rain and low visibility. We taxiied for about 30mins all over the airport as ATC switched runways twice. We ended up being 18th for departure and another 40mins later we were finally airborne to YYZ. Total of 1hr 10mins from pushback to wheels up! I did get a pic as we came out of the storm clouds over BUF though. (shameless plug Big grin)

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:23 pm

I mentioned this before on this site, but we ran into a lot of delays leaving out of LAX about 3 years ago due to Santa Ana winds that kept gusting and then dying down. We were suppose to take off from 25R and were 10th in line. I counted five planes taking off and then nothing for about 20-30 minutes. The captain announced that winds had increased to unsafe levels for 25 and 24 takeoffs, and that the airport was waiting it out. 20 or so minutes later, they turned everything around and I watched the other planes in front of us taxi back up the runway and then we turned too. There were like 20 or so planes waiting behind us. However, we pulled into the maintenance area just east of the Skywest area and waited about 45 minutes or so. When we finally moved again, all the planes were gone and we taxied out to 7R on the opposite side of the airport for take-off. Not sure why we had to wait. We were on a 744 to DEN, but another 744 of Korean had taxied past us and didn't have to wait.
All told, about 3 hours after pushback, we finally took off...but due to our missed connection at DEN, had to wait another 3-4 hours until the next flight to DSM, during which time a snowstorm rolled in.....keeping us in DEN til around 12AM or so (after arriving from LAX around 5 PM).
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:30 pm

About 4 and a half years ago my QF flight LHR-SIN missed its departure slot after pulling back late. We have to wait about 90 minutes for a new one. Although not the worst on here, the fact I was in the middle of flying YUL-LHR-SIN-PER made it feel longer.
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:51 pm

Six years ago I had to wait on the runway at PHX on a WN flight because they had a security problems at the terminal and closed it. I think we sat in the plane, no a/c on, for about 2 hrs.

Also have waited on several flights on AA out of ORD and had wait times longer than 1 hr 30 mins easy.

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:14 pm

Last June we were number 12 for takeoff at EWR. It took pretty long for us to get airborne, on a Continental B738. Flight was at 17:00 EST... is that EWR's rush hour??? hell it looked like!!!

Of course the captain always says how you are "almost next" or "it should only be another 5-10 minutes"  Big grin

mmm looks like you were on Continental, too?  Big thumbs up

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:18 pm

#37 @ EWR bound for FLL on a 757 a few summers ago pulled up between the runways shut them down and they passed out drinks you could use your phones and it tooka few hours.
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:24 pm

A typical Oshkosh post-show departure would probably take the cake...but least they clear you to take off staggered, two at a time.

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:21 pm

About 4 years ago I was a departing DFW after a thunderstorm that delayed many morning flights. We were about 25th in line for takeoff.

Fortunately, the a/c departing was a 777, followed by a turbo-prop. Due to the wake turbulence separation of these two a/c, the tower looked for the nearest jet available to slip into the gap. We, at position 25, were the only ones at a suitable intersection ... so we jumped 25 a/c for immediate takeover. That was a lucky day!
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:38 pm

Looks like I got all of you beat. My brother and I were on an Eastern A300 from ATL-EWR years ago. We pushed back and taxied over to a remote part of the field. The captain came on and said that due to all the NY area airports being shut down due to bad wx, ATC had us in a ground stop. 20 mins turned into an hour which turned into another hour. EAL could not bring us back to the gate and they were all full due to the traffic backlog. So we sat and sat. I got up to use the lav and through the open cockpit door (back in the good old days of the 80's when the doors stayed open till takeoff) I could see what later I found out to be a Delta L1011 in the same situtation as us. The FA's served the meals to us and put on a movie. After that, they swapped the first class movie with the coach one (back when it was just one big screen in the front) and both cabins got to watch both movies. 8 hours after pushback, we finally got a gate and went back in, restocked beverages, fuel, etc... We finally took off for EWR. All told, it was a 12hr flight from the first pushback at ATL to arrival at EWR.
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:18 pm

During a particularly bad storm at EWR during Spring Break 2000, I was heading back to school in Florida. The weather had been pretty ominous all evening and by about the time that my plane pushed back from the gate, the snow really started to come down. The captain announced that before we could take off, we would need to be deiced first - we were something like number 25 for deicing. After this process was over, we taxied for a little while and then the captain announced we were something like number 35 for take off. We sat on the taxiway barely moving for about an hour and a half. The captain then came on and said that because the International Flights needed to make their arrival windows, ATC had been giving them priority to leave, hence the delay. The worst part was that we had been waiting so long, we had to go back and get deiced again. All in all, it was about 5 hours that we spent taxing around, waiting and being deiced. All for a flight that should have taken about 2 and a half hours. Seven and a half hours later we finally landed in Tampa.

I was happy to get a phone call from Continental the next day as the apologized for the ordeal we had been through the day before.

This was the most nervous I have ever been on an airplane. Many of the passengers were outraged at the delay. Some were cursing and shouting at the flight attendants, others were demanding that we be taken back to the gate.

All in all, I was glad when it was over.
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:32 pm

UA 777-222 IAD-SFO Number 43.

Just as we were boarding the clouds started to climb over the hills. Boarded and pushed ASAP as our pilot was clearly in a hurry. We got in line and he told us of our spot in the "parking-lot" and that if we all wanted to go out shopping or get a bit to eat that the bus would still be there (chuckle chuckle). We waited about 2hrs in line and gave up b/c some @$$ up front had a "medical emergency" in his family and made us taxi back to the gate to allow him to get off. (Wonder how he found this info out once we were on the tarmac and I didn't hear anything over CH.9... We then had a passenger who smuggled his dog onto the a/c in a bag who had to get out to pee so the pilot had to go out and let it do its thing. We pushed again and the f/a came running up the aisle. Turns out we had NO ice and no cups left due to the beverage service during our wait. Another 15 min to get someone who could help us back in. An hour passed and then we had to wait for a tug. At that time it had cleared up and he went right for the runway. I have never made SO many alt. changes in flight in my life! I have never been able to get out of IAD on time. And every time its due to weather.

Thanks again.

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:48 pm

Here in AKL, having more than 2 or 3 heavies in line is basically non existant. However, with the props it is not uncommon to see 3 or 4 waiting for the runway.
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:27 pm

De-icing always slows things up too!


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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:29 pm

A few years' ago I was flying ATL-LGW (DL 772), onboard which one of the pilots told us that we were 10-20 in-line for take-off (can't remember more specifically).
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:30 pm

FLew MAN-TFS in October onboard G-JMAA (TCX 757-300), We were #7 in line for take off
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:33 pm

Why not? Back in the 90's, flight was AZ601 JFK/MXP, operated with a B747. JFK scenery was dramatic: low clouds, poor visibility and strong, gusting winds from south. It was peak hours (18-20) and due to wind conditions only rwy 22L and 22R were used.
We were No. 36 for take off and it took 1h and 50 mins to finally reach for the sky....
On the same flight, while over the Atlantic, I was allowed to take a short visit in the cockpit and the Captain told me that the longest line he experienced was No.71! Always at JFK...

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:50 pm

Back in the early 80's at JFK, we actually had a 74 departing for BRU leave the gate and taxi to our hangar area where he shut down engines, started up the movie and fed all of the passengers. Took a total of 4 hours. We were so backed up with arrivals coming in that we had no gate space at all. In 1986, I was on one of our 74's going from JFK to MIA. The 31's were in use. After we pushed back, we started out and turned RIGHT on the inner taxiway. This meant we were going to have to circle the entire airport before reaching 31L. Sure enough, we were #74 for takeoff. We finally took off 10 minutes AFTER we were to arrive at MIA.

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:08 am

Clipper002:

Good lord. I think that takes the cake. So basically, you're saying never to take a PanAm 74 out of JFK ever again?  Laugh out loud

Most of my delays have--in some way--surrounded ATL. Last May, on an FL 712 ATL-DAY, we pushed back from the gate at Councourse C only to come to a dead stop after we spooled up the engines and made the turn to head toward the runway...the line stretched down the taxiway from the 26s (L&R) all the way back toward the Councourse C ramp area (I think between C and D)...we were 15th in line, and we were departing in around 5pm as the bank of evening arrivals/departures was just getting busy...so 40 mins later we finally rumbled down 26L.

I've also experienced this at ORD and DFW several times...DFW's were mainly because of summer thunderstorms coming through the Metroplex, and ORD was due to high traffic volume and wind...
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:18 am

The worst times at JFK were after Reagan fired all of the PATCO controllers. We had all kinds of delays. The biggest problem was that our inbounds were arriving, but the TransAtlantic departures were being spaced out to 40 mile entrail separation, so they were held on the gates. When we finally got up to #5 inbound holding for a gate, I made the decision to push off the departures and take them down to our hangar area to await a slot, which took up to 4 hours. Another thing that we tried successfully was to file a flight plan out of JFK to go overhead BDA instead of up the North Atlantic tracks. Once airborne, we would ask for a refile and head up north with little or no delay. Those were the days of really flying by the seat of you pants.

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:56 am

Last night at PHL on a DASH-8 PHL-LGA.

We push from the gate, and stop about 5 minutes later.

"Uh, evening folks, uh from the flight deck right now we're number 23 for take off" (groans in the cabin)

"Well, just be thankful it is nice out this evening, number 23 on a rainy day here in PHL would usually mean a couple hours. We should have ya in the air in about 45 minutes though. Thanks for your patience."
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:39 am

Time ago (about 5 months)

MX809 ORD-MTY
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4:20 delay  Sad
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:52 am

Over the Thanksgiving holiday this year I was on a DFW-JFK AA flight on a 757. It was about 1 pm and there had been a ground hold for strong storms which made the line very long to begin with. Then the winds changed making all 30-35 planes taxi at once down the runway to the other side and meet up with more planes down there. We were like 40th in line and waited a total of 1 hour 45 minutes from pushback to takeoff. We finally cut the line and took off midfield. Thank god.
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:54 am

Been #22 at ORD, didn't seem to take more than a half hour.
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:57 am

In may this year I was in ORD. There was some kind of a thunderstorm and I was listening on Channel 9 on my UA flight to PAris. We were #60 !!!!!!! It took two hours and our taxiing was like a sightseeing tour of the airport and the remote areas near the hangars !

I think I was the ONLY passenger to enjoy it !!
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:28 am

At LHR in July 2003 on the way to Iceland, probably 15th or 16th in a line of aircraft waiting to takeoff. We were probably waiting in line for about 70 minutes, slowly creeping along the tarmac from Terminal 3 to the threshold of runway 9R.

I got a couple of pictures of the aircraft behind us  Big grin.


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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:13 am

My CFI flys out of ORD for AA and told me it's not uncommon for him to be holding for over an hour or two even for weather or whatever reasons. He said that he's only gave out free drinks a few times, recentally Thanksgiving being one, on ORD-FRA.

He called me from his cell phone on one occassion, he was flying ORD-GLA, I could here the F/O asking if he should be using his phone in the cabin!  Smile I think he was pretty young, the senior of the two F/O and Jim were laughing!

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:14 am

ORD sounds awful!

LGW is never this busy but can get quite busy. I've waited a good 20 minutes. LGW is a nightmare on a Saturday morning at the peak of the Sku Season!

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:23 am

A340600,

ORD is awful, as much as I complain about DFW, ORD is worse. I just hate the structure of the changing terminals so frequentally at DFW on those old slow people movers. I can walk faster than them!

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:25 am

sitting at PHL on a US airways CRJ200 bound for YOW this October we were about 15th in line...however, as our turn came up, the captain announced we were returning to the gate to meet a maintenance crew, as they were having problems with the panel lights in the cockpit.

back to the gate, another 1 1/2 hours on the CRJ200 (OUCH!), and then another 30-45 minute wait in line, and finally we left.

could have flown to YOW and back twice in the time we sat in that plane at PHL.
 
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:30 am

>I think he was pretty young<

Given the state of airlines in the US, I doubt an AA 777 or 767/757 FO would be young.

I am just glad that most of my flying is out of LAX and MSY, meaning no long back ups (though, on Brasillia flights LAX-OXR, it often takes us longer to taxi than to do the flight, as they often taxi the EMB-120 to the north runways in order to give the whales all the runway they can.
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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:50 am

Last time I took the red-eye from OGG to LAX, we had to wait for not one, but two (!) departures ahead of us. It must have delayed us a full five minutes. . . it was awful!  Innocent

Seriously, I commuted to/from/through ORD for many years, year round. Departure delays between 60 - 120 minutes were common. In the summer it was traffic and thunderstorms, in the winter it was de-icing and snow storms. But even worse than the delays out of ORD were the returns, when you'd be almost to the front of the departure line from whatever city you were flying out of, when suddenly you'd turn off the taxiway and pull into some obscure corner to sit and wait for the ground hold on ORD bound flights to be lifted. To this day, no matter where I'm flying, if the plane deviates at all from the normal taxi, I expect the next thing I hear to be the captain telling us how long we're going to sit.

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:10 am

N1120a,

the flight I was talking about was ORD-GLA. It was a AA 763. I should have clarified. I meant the F/O was very junior to the other two pilots. I guess he wasn't really familiar with what pilots do when they are hanging out waiting to take off.

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:51 am

#1 IAD-ATL last summer on an MD-80. strong storms were approaching the airport and I was stuck in a middle seat between 2 of the usual business pax (6'1" 340 pounds) APU was Inop, so we did an air cart start, the engine overtemped, so we had to have the mechanic write it up, (45 minutes), then we had to find another cart (20 minutes), finally we taxi out go to a penatly box and sit for 1 hour and 20 minutes. At this point another line of storms was coming our way. ATC was rerouting everyone but we did not have enough fuel, so back to the gate to refuel. 40 minutes later we had to have another air cart start, then back to the taxi way and 20 minute taxi, we finally got to ATL 4 hours late.

#2,3 and 4 Last summer I flew out of EWR to BNA every Thursday night. 3 Thursdays in a row we had storms so each time we went to a penalty box and shut down the engines. The captains all were cool each week, they let us use cell phones and the F/A did a complete service on the ERJ. Each time we were 30 to 35th and it took us usually 2 hours before we fired up the engines and went to the active, after 3 weeks in a row I just expected it.

#5 ATL-DFW on a DL 764 in First (thankfully) we were number 40!, we watched a movie and an episode of friends, various Delta horizons programs and they did the snack service. Delayed almost 3 hours late into DFW

#6 DC-10-30 NW DTW-BOS, there was weather in Boston so we sat for 2 hours. The F/A's had a contest to see how many windmills were in the in-flight magazine and gave away a few bottles of champagne to the winners. I think we were number LAST that day  Smile

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RE: No. 10 In Line For Take-off

Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:47 pm

I've personally been about 50 or so deep on a JFK IAD flight on a J41. Pilots don't really have a clue where they are in line at that point. They just guess. Unfortunately it was around dinner time so it was mostly heavy traffic with 2 min between each for wake turb spacing. The biggest problem usually out of the NY or DC areas is MIT (Miles in trail) spacing over certain fixes. All the DC airports use the same departure fixes...(DAILY, SWANN, PALEO, MOL, GVL, LDN etc.) and during busy times of the day it is not uncommon to see 15-30 MIT for traffic. MIT kind of sucks, because as a pilot you don't really know if you are number 1 or number 15 for a departure fix. 15 in line with 30 MIT can cause nearly an hour taxi in some scenarios.
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