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Ailing United Airlines?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:03 pm

Ailing United Airlines looks to scrap $250 million automated baggage system?

Why does the press say this? I thought Ua was doing well? and the baggage system, what is that and where?
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:08 pm

I believe that United uses the automated baggage system at DIA and the rest of the system was scrapped. This according to the History Channel.

I have heard from a.net that the entire thing was scrapped but then I saw Modern Marvels on the history channel which showed (literally) the system operating while they interviewed technicians.
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:26 pm

DIA finally got this working after a year delay serving UAL, the rest of the airlines went for a substituted non-automated baggage system. The whole fiasco cost DIA opening a year late and probably $$$ for UAL.
 
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:29 pm

I think if UAL went under that would help CO,AA and Delta become strong again.It would suck to see such a great airline go but I think it is needed.
 
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:54 pm

NEWSFLASH: United has been in Chapter 11 protection for about two years, give or take a few days. Hardly "doing well" in my opinion...

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:04 pm

NEWSFLASH: United has been in Chapter 11 protection for about two years, give or take a few days. Hardly "doing well" in my opinion...

NEWSFLASH: America West was in bankruptcy for over 3.
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:58 pm

NEWSFLASH, this happened over a year ago.

The baggage system that UA ended up paying for during DIA's construction pre-1995 ended up causing more headaches that convenience, so they tossed it. I happened to receive a tour of the underbelly of DIA just before they were about to scrap it, in winter 2003. The system was quite unreliable.

The $250mm was a sunk cost from over a decade ago, so I don't know what the doom and gloom is all about.

Where do you get your news, the internet archive?

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:06 am

NEWSFLASH: America West was in bankruptcy for over 3.

What's your point????????  Confused

Referring to UAL as "ailing" is not a stretch.

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:56 pm

I've heard that UA installed new scanners and new computers, and they also fixed some engineering problems with sections of the track. They use the system for all O/D and connecting traffic at DEN, except hot transfers. I find it interesting that UA is talking about scrapping the system that they insisted was needed to operate efficiently at DEN.  Insane

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:28 pm

F9Fan, they are not *talking* about scrapping the system, it was scrapped *months* ago. The issues were with the manufacturer failing to make the system perform as contracted. Why keep a shitty product that's causing more grief than benefit??

Now UA uses the same old system as everyone else. They did install new scanners for their baggage tracking/reporting system, but the automated system is gone, has been gone, and ain't coming back.
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:23 am

UA and DEN, what a joke...they build up that airport and poor millions into it, and how many international flights originate non-stop from there? It's rather sad. I thought UA was gonna grow the new DEN...it hasn't happened in their 3+ yrs of bankruptcy. I saw that show on the baggage system at DEN, and everyone they interview said it was crap and has never worked right, it doesn't even do minimum work that lowly airports can accomplish hassle free.

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:02 am

aa777jr,
CO didn't have the flights UAL has now in DEN. If you are referring just the international flights then that they don't have. I don't remember UAL ever saying they were going to do mass I-flights. In my opinion DIA is a beautiful airport, it is clean, easy to get around, and lastly easy to connect. It doesn't have the WX delays ORD has or SFO. We very seldom get diversions from DIA, maybe 10 days a year.

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:34 pm

I just thought, from what I read, UA was going in super heavy to DEN as a hub, and in reality they just don't impress me at all there. The way they handle the luggage, their routing system out of DEN, the planes they fly in there/or not fly in there anymore. They definitely could not only do themselves a favor, but also ORD, if they added flights. I think with UA ailing so much financially, they could surely put their DEN hub to better use with international and domestic flights, for that matter. UA takes one step forward, and two steps backwards.

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:57 pm

Aa777jr :
UA has established DEN a major domestic hub. How many other International Airlines fly to DEN? Not that many, the biggest is probably LH's 346 service. UA has made DEN into a beautiful,clean, convienient airport giving lots of jobs, etc. Except for their baggage system, I would say that DIA is pretty near flawless, how many other airports have that title?
 
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:55 pm

the biggest is probably LH's 346 service

UA failure to compete with international carrier, lame


I would say that DIA is pretty near flawless

your allegiance to UA is forgivable, UA at DEN is fare from your claims of flawless
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:06 pm

So when did LH start flying a A346 into DEN? I thought it was a A343x they flew in there.

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:08 pm

Still waiting on NW to push UA out of DEN and turn it into their hub to fly Pacific flights...  Smile
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:09 pm

the biggest is probably LH's 346 service

UA failure to compete with international carrier, lame


Alright hotshot, why would UA compete with it's own partner, Lufthansa, on DEN-FRA? Wouldn't that kind of not make any sense, when UA can just codeshare on the LH flight? Afterall, isn't that THE ENTIRE POINT IN HAVING AN ALLIANCE?

Still waiting on NW to push UA out of DEN and turn it into their hub to fly Pacific flights...

You're kidding, right?  Insane

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:17 pm

Denver is a Domestic hub for UAL, anyone who thinks it was going to be used for many Long Haul INTL op's is a moron. They have KLAX and KSFO and KORD for those.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:19 pm

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:48 pm

Aa777jr ,
You live in Austin,TX. I live 72 miles south of DIA. UAL's flights are many from DIA, I work a majority of them daily, and you're going to tell ME that DIA isn't flawless? What is your definition of flawless? Compared to UA's other hubs, Dia has never been bad. We get about 10-15 days a summer when the WX goes south, and diverts come. But what am I telling you this, you don't even work for an airline.

~~~~your allegiance to UA is forgivable

Oh, Thank you so much, master. Thank you boss, I am sorry for my loyalty. Insane


~~~~~Still waiting on NW to push UA out of DEN and turn it into their hub to fly Pacific flights.

Put the pipe down, You live in a fantasy land.

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:20 am

I read an article in the Denver Post suggesting that if UA goes under NW would move in, or DL would move from SLC to DEN. I'm not putting the pipe down quite yet.  Smokin cool
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:35 am

First of all, I don't even want to respond to moronic comments by our little friend AA777jr. He doesn't know shit. Second, we at UAL still use automated baggage system. Yes, it has its flaws, but in my opinion, we definitely need it. Instead of scrapping it alltogether, it definitely needs to be improved. The old tug and cart system would be a royal pain in the ass.

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:39 am

Aa777jr:

Why would UAL or any airline, turn DEN into a major international hub - or even a minor one? Especially NWA who have huge hubs in the middle of the country already.

I mean, just how many international hubs does NWA - or any airline - need?

Most pax coming to the US from Asia and Australia want to go to West Coast. Most pax from Europe want to go to either the East Coast or the West Coast - non-stop. And vice versa.

For those that want to go to/from the middle, apart from NWA's hubs, they have ORD and DFW.

Mexico? Happening - both Frontier and UAL.

South America? There isn't that much traffic from DEN to South America, and again, those that do go have DFW and IAH.

Will DEN get some more international service? For sure. Will it get a lot more? Not for a while.

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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:11 am

Why would UAL or any airline, turn DEN into a major international hub - or even a minor one? Especially NWA who have huge hubs in the middle of the country already.

I think you should contact the Denver Post Editor-in-Chief and ask him.  Smile


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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:18 am

I think you should contact the Denver Post Editor-in-Chief and ask him.

So? OOoh the almighty editor-in-cheif, i can pretty much assure you aviation would not be his forte. I see no reason why NW would go further into DEN- especially internationally.
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RE: Ailing United Airlines?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:20 am

"I think you should contact the Denver Post Editor in Chief and ask him."

Oh, sure. The editor of a newspaper knows a HUGE amount about successfully running an airline.

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