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SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:38 pm

From the Swedish media:

A SAS 737-600 slided off the taxiway at ARN today in the morning (due to the icy conditions). The plane was on its way to MMX.

The picture is here:

http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=219263

Nothing mayor, everyone and everything are fine. The only remarkable thing was that the plane was carrying only 10 passengers  Wow!

[Edited 2004-12-16 10:43:42]
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:33 pm

Hahaha!

10 pax is not good at all. But on the other hand It was on it's way to MMX. I wonder why they even have a flight to MMX when CPH is only 35km's away. Totally stupid imo.
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:43 pm

10 pax is not good at all. But on the other hand It was on it's way to MMX. I wonder why they even have a flight to MMX when CPH is only 35km's away. Totally stupid imo.

If I'm not wrong, the bus from MMX to Malmö city takes longer than the train from CPH... or at least the same time!

...10 pax on a flight and people are wondering why SK is doing so bad!?

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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:05 pm

Everytime I have flown that route the flight has been totally full.

Since SAS has 15-20 flights a day between the two cities, it can't go that bad.

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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:46 pm

15 - 20 flights a day ARN-MMX?????

thats hardly possible.

there would be more than a flight every hour! even if it would be half of it, say 7 flights a day, it would be a lot if not too much.
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:48 pm

If I'm not wrong, the bus from MMX to Malmö city takes longer than the train from CPH... or at least the same time!
When I flew ARN-MMX last year I had to go downtown by bus too, and that ride was really quite long. And since it was the crew bus that took us to the Hotel it didn't take as long as a regular one, so I don't want to be a passenger having to take one to town...

The flight was fairly full btw.

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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:02 pm

15 - 20 flights a day ARN-MMX?????

thats hardly possible.



They have 12 ARN-MMX flights daily.
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:23 pm

In an affort to keep costs down,SAS has decided to abandon crew and aircraft nightstops away from the main bases.Instead,they have launched a series of very early departures from ARN to outlying destinations.Too early for most people and hence only 10 pax on this flight!Maybe it costs less to fly an empty 737/MD-80 for an hour or so in order to save on 5 crewmembers hotelrooms and per diem?
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:33 pm

Here's another article for our Scandi members: http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,576086,00.html

Note the unidentified ARN employee who says: "If the plane had gone a few more meters and maybe flipped over... With a fully fueled plane it could have gone to hell." Talk about sensationalism. First of all, the wings sort of keep the plane from flipping over at these speeds, and besides jet fuel is really not that flammable.
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:34 pm

Well, I am really surprised about 10 pax on this route, which is one of the biggest from Stockholm, but nowadays FlyMe takes some pax from SAS, but I dont know,10 pax seems very low. OYRJA: Well, I dont think all swedes who flies between Stockholm and Skåne(Southern Sweden) want to fly to CPH to come there.
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:09 pm

Leave it up to Aftonbladet (stupid rag) to sensationalize the event, plane flipping over... please... "Unidentified source" probably means they made it up.
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:50 pm

i am totally freaked by the 12 flights a day.
this sounds quite unusual for europe. at least i dont know of any other connection served that frequently by a single airline.

there must be a hilarious demand on this route, why?
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:05 am

Macc,
SAS have more flights with equal or more connections / day.
ARN-GOT 13/day (total with Flynordic and FlyMe 22/day)
ARN-CPH 14/day
ARN-OSL 13/day

Those were the ones I just checked. I guess there are more.



[Edited 2004-12-16 16:09:10]
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:22 am

Pera
OYRJA: Well, I dont think all swedes who flies between Stockholm and Skåne(Southern Sweden) want to fly to CPH to come there.

No that's true off course. But doesn't they compete with a swedish LCC on that route as well? How can there be a demand for so many flights pr day?
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:13 am

True, FlyMe operates the route aswell, but I guess SAS doesnt wanna go down on frequences on this route, its one of their "old gold routes" its much about honor i guess
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:04 am

i am totally freaked by the 12 flights a day.
this sounds quite unusual for europe.


It isn't so rare here in Northern-Europe at all... For example Finnair flies 15 flights a day from Helsinki to Oulu! All flights operated by A320 series or MD-80s...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Another good example is HEL-ARN which Finnair flies 11 times a day and I believe SAS/Blue 1 has very similar frequencies on the same route. Quite important trunk routes indeed...

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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:42 am

thats definitly different from central europe i guess.
are fares that low? no city in the north is that big, how can there be such high demand???

even if all people who use trains and cars would fly instead, it wouldnt fill more than 7 planes VIE - IBK here...
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:10 am

Let's not forget the trains. Stockholm to Gothenburg is only 3 hours and 15 minutes. From city center to city center this is faster than the plane. And still there are 13 flights a day!
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:42 am

The main differece between the rest of Europe and Scandinavia is probably the distances. Northern Europe is not as populated as central and southern Europe is. Which makes any airport quite important.

However, the total flights ARN/BMA-MMX today (SAS, FlyMe, Malmö Aviation) is 27! Way over capacity!

You know the gear is up when it takes full power to taxi
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:49 am

Just to add to the numbers:

Stockholm-Gothenburg: 12/d SAS, 6/d FlyMe, 4/d Flynordic and 11/d Malmö Aviation (to BMA), for a total of 33 daily flights on weekdays. On the other hand, everyone seems to be loosing money since the lo-cos entered the market. In addition to this there is rail service (3h) and bus or car might still be an option in some cases (around 5h).

Stockholm-Malmö: 11/d SAS, 5/d Flyme, 9/d Malmö Aviation (to BMA). Here you also have the option of rail service, plus all the flights from CPH a trainride away.

I read some time ago that ARN-GOT was the 4th or 5th busiest route in Europe, I believe, based on pax numbers. Any takers on which routes are busier?

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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:32 am

Maybe Münich-Frankfurt? I hope I am not totally wrong! Big grin
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:49 am

What about CDG-Marseille? I found 25 daily flights with AF alone. Maybe also something in Italy (Rome-Milan) and in UK (London-Scotland)?
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:56 am

Madrid-Barcelona? London-Dublin?
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:21 am

Going from ARN to MMX or CPH?

Well, if your final destination is exactly Malmoe railway station, then CPH might be the better choice.

But a lot of people live in southern Sweden some distance away from Malmoe railway station. And it is so much easier just to take the car and park it cheaply at MMX instead of struggling with taxi or bus to Malmoe railway station.

And then there is the stupid Danish government tax $12/pax on top of all the usual taxes. Why should Swedish domestic pax pay that when they can easily avoid that stupid country?

The incident was a non-event. At 6:30 this morning, taxiing slowly from the gate to the de-icing ramp on wet ice it was blown off into the wet, mud-like grass and got stuck. No damage at all. That's what happens in this terrible Scandinavian winter climate.
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:43 pm

Terrible Scandinavian winter climate?

God, I'll swap you for a bit if you like... you can live in my house in North Queensland, in the tropical great barrier reef region where its like 40 degrees C here every day at the moment and its so hot you can't sleep without the air conditioners humming...and I'll come live in that icy winter.
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:25 pm

Lufthansa,

Dont speak too soon. It isnt just cold here, Its FUC*ING FREEZING. It gets light outside at a few minutes after 8am, and its pitch dark before 4 pm.
 
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:50 pm

10 PAX. was it worth operating.What was the return leg load like.

About the pic.Its only partly out of the runway.Or was the pic taken after it was towed away.
Was there any FOD to Engine.
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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:54 pm

where is the meaning of more than a flight per hour? why not take a bigger plane???

scratch...

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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:23 pm

"where is the meaning of more than a flight per hour? why not take a bigger plane???"

The passengers wants frequencies, and are ready to pay for it Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: SAS Plane Off Taxiway At ARN

Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:58 pm

A few years ago (before 9/11) flights operated from GOT to ARN every 20 minutes in the early morning and I believe SAS had a total of 20 daily flights to Stockholm. However, the 33 daily flights to Stockholm are spread over four airlines, and the biggest operator (SAS) flies slightly less than an hourly flight, which is adequate for most needs. To operate bigger aircraft is not an option as most flights are all redy operated with 738s with (I believe) 179 seats, which is the largest aircraft in SAS domestic fleet.

To sum up though, there is huge over capacity on these routes, with four airlines to GOT and three to MMX. Sooner rather than later we will see either a consolidation or a liquidation of one or two of these airlines.

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