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Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:18 am

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041216/nyth053_1.html

I had read somewhere that there were 2 different bid packets out there for FL crews, one if MDW happened and one if not. There are several jets arriving in the next couple of months. Can anyone here (perhaps part of a FL crew) shed any light as to where these aircraft will be placed or what was plan B?
 
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:24 am

Well, I can't honestly say that I'm not disappointed, but I also can't honestly say that I'm surprised.

Congrats to WN on a successful business strategy, I guess.
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:31 am

DFW here they come?

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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:23 am

One reason I stayed out of the previous posts about this subject until a decision was made was so nobody could say 'I told you so!'. All I can say is I'm proud of AirTran's effort and intelligence in not trying to get into some sort of bidding war. Like the release stated, our growth plans are solid, with or without MDW. As far as the dual bid packets, Packet B as its called contains the 'non-MDW expansion lines'. By thumbing through, I don't see anything too exciting (granted I'm looking at the 73G packet, not the 717). We will start the additional Florida frequencies out of MDW, SRQ starts this week, 73G service between MCO and BWI commences and LGA is up to the 73G roundtrips per day. With this weeks schedule change, 18-19 flights are added throughout the system.
 
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:28 am

As exciting as expansion is, I definitely had some reservations about the MDW thing - and in fact had vowed to NOT fly through there for at least the next six months if this went through. However, I will say I am a bit disappointed, but OH WELL!

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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:44 am

It sucks for FL, but now they can concentrate on DFW.
I wish FL the best of luck. I'm pretty sure things are going to be just fine over at AirTran.

Congratulations WN.

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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:51 am

Groundstop,

With MDW expansion out will cities like RDU which were to go from
5 flights a day down to 4, now keep all 5 since the expansion is off?

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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:54 am

That's too bad, I was hoping for FL to get it. I don't think any airport should be dominated by one carrier. Granted WN supposedly won't have direct control over TZ but we'll see.
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:14 am

717-200 - It looks like they've already gone ahead and loaded those flights back into the system. I just did a quick check and it looks like all cities that lost a flight have them back. I looked like in March or something like that. I wondered the same thing too.

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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:33 am

We will start the additional Florida frequencies out of MDW, SRQ starts this week

As I understood it, SRQ starts tomorrow, but MDW-SRQ starts in January. Has this changed?
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:37 am

>I don't think any airport should be dominated by one carrier.<

You ever been to BUR, HOU, or DAL?
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:51 am

N120a

On the same note... ever been to MEM, MSP, DTW, EWR, IAH, DFW, SLC, CVG, JFK, SFO, or MIA?
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:55 am

>ever been to MEM, MSP, DTW, EWR, IAH, DFW, SLC, CVG, JFK, SFO, or MIA?<

Most of those I agree with, but JFK??!! Sure, B6 has a lot of flights, but so does everyone else in the world. That would be like saying (though not quite as bad as saying) that WN or UA dominates LAX. Also, SLC has a significant WN presence, so it is more of a 2 carrier thing there. SFO does have a lot of UA, but it also has a lot of international carriers and a lot of service from non-UA domestics
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:04 am

Ok, JFK wasn't a good example, not even sure why I put it in there....

how about ANC?  Smile
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:07 am

FL at DFW? or WN at DFW?

What can either carrier offer that AA doesn't already at DFW?

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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:09 am

"FL at DFW? or WN at DFW?

What can either carrier offer that AA doesn't already at DFW?"


Competition
 
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:42 am

What can either carrier offer that AA doesn't already at DFW?

They can offer fares lower than AA's $374 dollar r/t flight to SAN when you can fly OKC-SAN for $229

Also, it would be nice to not have to pay $1300 for a walkup fare to BNA.

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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:17 am

AirTran should honestly take this to court on anti-competition grounds. Southwest is going to have more of a marketshare @ MDW than Delta does @ ATL, and that will be bad for business.
 
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:23 am

Srbmod:

You can't just go by MDW. You have to count ORD+MDW, in which WN is a comparative bit player.
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:28 am

Hey 727,

Checking the Airtran site looks like MDW starts on Jan 11th. Are you going to be out at SRQ tomorrow for the first arrival?
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:44 am


AirTran should honestly take this to court on anti-competition grounds.


 Insane

So they lost on the open market, now they should go crying to the courts. Whatever.
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:53 am

AirTran should honestly take this to court on anti-competition grounds. Southwest is going to have more of a marketshare @ MDW than Delta does @ ATL, and that will be bad for business.

No...Airtran should send a "thank you" note to Southwest. It's pretty much been shown that when one airline buys out a "financially distressed" carrier, and takes on all the debt and labor issues that such a move involves, they pretty much find THEMSELVES in the "financially distressed" category. And Southwest could have 100% of the market share in a market, and you'd still pay no more than $299 each way for a ticket. That's something Delta can't claim in Atlanta or AA in Dallas or NWA in MSP.
 
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:33 am

Groundstop:
Am I correct that all ANNOUNCED FL MDW service will go as planned? How will they do that with 1 gate?
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:46 am

I thought they just picked up a 2nd gate from the city.
 
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:20 am

The additional service that has been previously announced will still begin as planned. Also, most markets that lost a frequency or two due to the MDW expansion will gain those flights back.
 
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:02 pm

It was kind of disapointing for us to lose this, but after digesting this news
and reading goingboeing's above post,the MDW deal could had been a real
overexpansion disaster or a great success for AirTran but we shall never
really know. I hope our solid growth plans does involve new routes outside
of Florida, like places out west like PHX, PDX, SAN, SEA, and maybe YVR.


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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:18 pm

I wouldn't say that this deal is done. I've read in the Chicago Tribune that the Justice Dept. was waiting to see who won the bidding If WN won, then Justice woud investigate to see if the deal was anti-competitve.

Now, there is no way that anyone can say that WN is going to drive up fares at MDW. It used to be the sole carrier at DAL, but the fares there have always been lower than at DFW.

But, if WN has a position of dominance, particularly if it codeshares with TZ, that might discourage other carriers from entering MDW.

I would put a small amount on Justice approving the deal, but the Antitrust Division can be very surprising in the decisions they reach.
 
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:07 pm

Terrible..............
Just what we need, SWA domination of MDW like UA and AA over at ORD. IMHO FL is better.
 
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:24 pm

As a former Southwest employee and now a current Airtran employee, I will say that I have never been more proud to be at AirTran than I am right now. I was ABSOLUTELY excited about the potential of us taking over the MDW gates and the LGA DCA slots, but I will say that things happen for reasons. Good things happen with time and with patience, and I KNOW deep down that there will be opportunities for us in the near future.

To me, Southwest Airlines has just opened up a whole new ball game. They are swaying away from their original roots and the original way they operated. They are sailing in some VERY uncharted and VERY unfamiliar waters with this deal with ATA. Maybe this is a mixed blessing for AirTran? Who knows? Time will tell.

In the mean time....to all of my fellow friends and co-workers at AirTran. Keep your heads high, keep your spirits up, work hard, and continue to do what we do best, taking care of our customers........and smile...........because our time to shine IS COMING!!!!!!!  Smile

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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:46 pm

I know this is mean, but I HAVE to say it....HAHA AirTran737!!!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:05 pm

I really thought that AirTran would have this wrapped around their finger, but guess Southwest is still full of suprises. I would almost say WN is starting to take on the attitude of a Legacy carrier..lol. Hope they don't go there!! Either way the future is still very bright and it is becoming even more obvious that AirTran still has eyes for Chicago, though not as quickly as this could have been. The return of the 5th flight to RDU is very nice to see too!
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:27 pm

Does dominance at MDW really matter if there are two marjor airports serving Chicago? Granted ORD is northwest of Chicago and the MDW is southwest, and thus more convenient for people living south of Chicago. But a 16 mile separation and under 25 mile driving distance between the airports likely will prevent any price gauging.
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RE: Airtran Concedes

Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:08 am

They are swaying away from their original roots and the original way they operated. They are sailing in some VERY uncharted and VERY unfamiliar waters with this deal with ATA.

How do you explain Muse Air and Morris Air? I think they've been here before. And I still maintain that SWA did Airtran a FAVOR....Airtran's plans were nice...but IMHO, they would have ended up finding that the deal cost way more than it was worth. SWA isn't "taking over" ATA....they have a 27% interest in the airline. They have a code share. Instead of pumping money into a carrier bleeding cash, or trying to absorb employees and debt into the parent company...SWA only wants some oversight....if the company cannont "right" itself, I don't look for SWA to start pumping money into it...it's sink or swim time. And if ATA fails, I feel pretty confident that several employees will be offered positions within SWA...without any labor union integration issues...and without the liabilities of all the ATA debt.

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