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Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:47 pm


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The Above pic shows Aircraft Taxying in.The Marshaller in place.Why are the Vehicles placed in its path.
Should they not be away & approach the Aircraft only after Aircraft Engines are shutdown & Chocked.
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:35 pm

I have watched many aircraft come into the gate and normally the tug is position in front of the aircraft as they taxi in. The ramp agents even stand on them as the Marshall the aircraft in.
In the picture above, I can only speculate was is going on. But one guess could be the maintenance was just performed on the aircraft and an engine run/op's checks are being performed. I have personally used a belt loader a time or two to gain access to the aircraft.
 
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:37 am

Could it be the plane is not coming in but in fact leaving. The push back tug has disconnected and the marshaller, seen directly in front of pushback tug, is signalling with his right hand (wand) to the flt crew that it's clear to begin the powered turnout and away.

I do assume that a telephoto is responsible for the short distance to the aluminum cargo containers behind this flight. Otherwise that could be a blast hazard.
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:48 pm

But one guess could be the maintenance was just performed on the aircraft and an engine run/op's checks are being performed.

Run up With no Chocks in place.Unlikely.

Could it be the plane is not coming in but in fact leaving. The push back tug has disconnected and the marshaller, seen directly in front of pushback tug, is signalling with his right hand (wand) to the flt crew that it's clear to begin the powered turnout and away.

Clearence to taxiout/powerback is given from the Pilots side or 45 deg between the nosewheel & Pilot window clearly way aft.

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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:22 am

ok 2 possibilities that I see to add to what else has so far been discussed:

1. It is at a gate where the aircraft has to be towed into the gate with engines shut off (this happend to me at a NW gate in MEM that is specific to that gate location)

2. The aircraft is departing and the belt loader is there because of some late baggage that just made the connection, or the ramp agents sped to the departing aircraft in whatever they could get to drive over there with to help marshal the plane out. It's something I had to do quite a bit as a Ramp Agent for Delta when I had to get assist with a departing plane several gates away from where I was, I'd hop in a bag tug, belt loader, (those old 1970s/1980s ford I-6 powered Belt loaders were very quick ) to get over to the gate quickly to assist.
 
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:37 am

3 Vehicles and 3 people in the shot, the answer is obvious.

The man with his arm out is montoring the #2 Eng start.
 
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:13 am

I think Ryan L1011 got it right. Look at the markings on the ground. Those are not gate markings. The checkered markings are lane markings for ground vehicles. Checkered markings like that aren't used in gate markings. If it was a gate the wings would not hang OVER the markings.
 
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:16 am

A run up with those containers behind would surely be one hell of a show to watch Big grin

My guess is that the aircraft had been pushed back from Stand #14 (assuming that yellow dot with 14 written is the stand number sign)... due to the proximity of the containers, they had to push the plane back, and then tug the plane to that spot... However, it would appear that the loader truck was in that position AFTER the tow truck assumed that position... otherwise they were asking for trouble and for away with it.

If it was stand #14, was this really in FLL ? Coz I looked at 2001 charts and there are no stand #14 in FLL...

Can someone clarify this for me??? *puzzled*
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:29 am

I can see what looks like heat haze behind number 2 but not on num 1.

Who says the marshaller is standing in the correct spot? I agree that it is wrong directly in front but I've certainly seen it done this way a lot. For that matter the wingman is not in the correct spot either and he may in fact be out of the shot and the belt loader driver could be as stated just showing he has completed late baggage loading but I'd not bet on it.

Terminal One Councouse C would have a gate 14 if counting as 1 from entrance.

The fact that I can't see a towbar may lead to a maintanance operation conclusion but it might be hidden in front of tag. DC9 tow bars are not the short ones. At least from what I've used.
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:23 am

Why no chocks in place on Engine start if thats what it is.
I still stick to taxying in.
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Wed Dec 22, 2004 5:59 am

Engines are started all the time after a push back. Why fight thrust with the towbar? When started at the gate it's usually just one engine except for powerback.
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:34 am

I am having a tough time believing this picture is from FLL... The only place I can see this being is over there by Terminal 4, where Air transat and Air Canada park at the international terminal... but still there, it is only H1-H10... Why would NW be way over thee when they park on the other side.
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:41 am

I cant recognize the logo on those containers which might help. Also what someone thinks is the number 14 just under the rt main would be facing the other direction if being read by an oncoming aircraft.
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:22 pm

They're all Air Canada ULD's in the front row. Both AKH's and DPE's.

The back row consists of TS cans.

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[Edited 2004-12-23 05:23:47]

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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:46 pm

So Whats Happening out here.
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:08 pm

HAWK

I added this link to another thread about FLL asking for help from any NW agents about 6 hrs ago but nothing yet. You saw what LS17031 said about containers but I don't know what TS means as whether thats another Canadien carrier or a type. If it was perhaps it isnt even FLL as had been suggested. We may never know.
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:20 pm

This is one Pic I find difficult to understand presuming all are going by the rules.
I think the only answer would be from the Personnel at that very Airport or the Photographer.I've tried doing that too.
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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:19 pm

HAWK

For some reason the mouse idendifier for TS wasn't working but is now. It's AirTransat, another Canandian company. They arrive AC and TS arrive on the opposite side as NW in terminal 4. NW is Terminal 1. Knowing that I'd say the poster who said it was probably a maintance function was correct. Possibly the plane was mechanical and was parked in an "out of service" area until readied and was now starting his return to the terminal under power. Just a guess.

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RE: Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way

Sat Dec 25, 2004 12:48 am

Engines are started all the time after a push back. Why fight thrust with the towbar? When started at the gate it's usually just one engine except for powerback. >>>>

When the APU was inoperative and an Airstart was required, many times all 3 engines were started at the gate on the 727 and both engines were started at the gate on the MD-88s, however we (ramp agents) would request number 2 be started first on the L-1011 with 1 and 3 being started after push back. Somtimes the Captain would request all engines be started with Air Start cart.