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What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:49 pm

Hello I been away for few mouths, but I back now.

My question is what is the most powerful takeoff of a widebody anybody ever seen.
For me I have to say

1 Air New Zealand Boeing 747 200 from LAX-ACK.

2 AOM DC10 30 from LAX-Paris.

4 Any 747 400 on the LAX-SYD route.

5 LTU L1011 500 LAX- Germany.

6 any 767 300 on the LAX-LHR route.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:20 am

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Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:24 am

For me It would have to be An A330-300, I was in one and the sound of them two huge RollsRoyce Engines firing you to take off speed is magnificent.

Ive also seen one at Dublin Airport taking off and the sound from the outside is hard to beat.


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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:37 am

Well the 757 wins any takeoff power race, but since it isn't a widebody, I'd say an empty 777-200LR (and probably a decently loaded one) would easily blow anything else, including the big Buses, any especially 747s out of the water. The 747 has never "rocketed" off the runway, unless it's an empty freighter. Regardless of the fact that the 747 Advanced will likely feature more composites (lower empty weight) and more powerful engines, MTOW will likely be significantly higher, negating any increased takeoff force except in an empty airplane.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:38 am

This is kind of an odd question. How does one define "most powerful takeoff?"

By the way, Aer Lingus A330 are equipped with General Electric CF6 engines and not Rolls Royce.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:01 am

Ok when I mean most powerful takeoff I mean the aircraft is noisy at full power. Here a example the Air New Zealand 747 200 and DC10 30 or any 747 400 on the LAX-SYD route would rock anything that is near it.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:09 am

when I mean most powerful takeoff I mean the aircraft is noisy at full power

any kind of L-1011 is a real soundmachine  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


edit: unfortunately you limited the post to "widebody" - the real "full-sound-takeoffs" have been performed by the Caravelle, BAC-1-11, B737-100 and -200, the B707, the DC8's, not to forget the DC9-51, ....

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Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:12 am

If noise is the only metric, there are some old piston-engined aircraft that could meet your needs.  Big grin
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:54 am

Oh man i know what you mean about that NZ 742. When i flew LAX-AKL as a young lad back in '95, QF had mechanical problems so we took on as many passengers as we could. A fully loaded 742, wow, that was really something as my first 747 flight.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:03 am

Noise -- I read a story from a guy who said that the (non-widebody) Concorde often lined up at Heathrow across the field from his office right as he and his co-workers were returning from lunch. They had some kind of card-key entrance system at the door. If they happened to notice the pointy nose turning the corner and swinging into position while they were outside, there was always a mad dash for the door and massive fumbling to get the key into the slot, because they knew that there would be a bowel-shaking, ear-melting, earthquake-like-rumbling of a takeoff coming down the runway in a matter of seconds -- like nothing else he ever heard at Heathrow.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:03 am

I would think that the most powerful commercial plane (wide or narrow-body) take-off would have been the Concorde. Now THOSE were powerful engines!!
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:19 am

Try:
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Any SQ long haul 744/A343(when it was there) take off Big grin Derating to the extreme??? Big grin

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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:22 am

wjcandee

I agree I've been in LHR Hertz office when signaled to stop talking which I thought at the time a bit rude, then signalled to turn round, back to the desk to watch concorde land. Incredible!

On topic, if the question has swiched to noise, then PIA classic style 747s leaving MAN takes some beating in my experience. These aircraft could be even more noisy at other airports.

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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:02 am

Most forceful takeoff I've been on was on a very empty 772 ORD-DFW last winter. It was pretty clear the captain was having a bit of fun, and there was lots of cold clear air to chew on  Smile I can't ever remember quite being thrown back in my seat like that, especially not on such a big BIG beast.

As far as noise? Nothing today compares to the age when noise issues weren't a concern, gas was cheap and emissions weren't even a thought. The old 732s, 707s, DC-8s, DC-9s... they made one hell of a racket. Now everything has been hushkitted and modified and quieted down. I appreciate the peace but do sometimes miss the excitement of an unmuffled engine blasting away on takeoff.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:48 am

Whilst at LHR watching the take offs - nothing shakes the ground like a Varig MD11 powering back home to Brazil.
 
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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:58 am

Being a Leeds/Bradford resident, the noisiest I've ever experienced from base 3 DME out from the rwy 32 touch down were the Dan Air 1-11's, RAF VC10's and most annoyingly, the old Britannia B732's, all departing off rwy 14.  Angry

They used to turn a sharp right for Pole Hill at around 2 DME so we'd get the noise for agggggggggggggggggggggggges as they climbed away from us.

Gimme the quiet and slow climbing Capital SD360's back any day  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:39 am

This thread brings back the memory of Concorde lifting up just in front of T4's huge windows at LHR... Everything was vibrating, when the wheels left the ground; such a gut feeling! I had the feeling everybody couldn't help but watch in awe...
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:32 am

fully loaded A340-300 with derated takeoff  Big grin

actually i'll bet that an empty 747SP ferry would be quite powerful

from my own experience, Concorde takeoff (not a widebody) would have to take the cake. i actually videoed our takeoffs and its great to hear the noise building.

i'll never forget the feeling of taxiing to the runway. the pilot (adrian thompson) spooled up the engines to get on the runway and we were thrust into our seats for a couple of seconds until he idled them again.

it was the equivalent of blipping the throttle of a Mk II GTI in first gear at 3000rpm...beautiful.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:04 am

The most powerful-feeling takeoff that I have experienced (including the Concorde!) was on a lightly-loaded Garuda MD-11 from DPS bound for CGK, then HKG. It was almost scary how that thing accelerated. I definitely got the impression that the pilots were having a bit of fun with their then-new "toy."

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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:37 am

The best that I experienced was an old 747-100 on a maintenance test flight out of Dublin. There were 7 people on board total, only about 25 tons of fuel, no seats, no washrooms and no galleys. We did an intersection take-off at full power. It was awesome fun. Alas, EI-BED the aircraft in question lies derelict in the boneyard. RIP.

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Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:46 am

The original V-1101 VC-10 was the most powerful takeoff I've ever seen, because it was built for short takeoff performance! The VC-10 was designed for hot and high airfields with bags of power. Thrust to weight is probably more than the 757.

I regularly see Continental 772ERs take off fully loaded, and they make short work of the takeoff roll. So that's one powerful bird.

Well the 757 wins any takeoff power race, but since it isn't a widebody, I'd say an empty 777-200LR

Except that it hasn't even been built yet, never mind flown!

If you meant the 773ER then I would think a full power takeoff would be explosive without fuel and payload.

The A300 is also a good short field performer as it was designed for just that sort of operation, without heavy fuel loads for intra-Europe operation.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:06 am

I like the way a 767-400ER take off feels.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:08 am

I like the way a 767-400ER take off feels.

The takeoff feels wonderful, as it replaces the terror of thinking you are about to hit the end of the runway and plow into the lights..... Nuts
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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:10 am

All my t/o's on 772s have been pretty powerful, and Im sure they were relatively full laden with fuel as they were all transatlantic ops...

The last 763 I was on, BWI-LHR was pretty powerful too, the best part was after our left turn out of the airfield, I could see the airport....only it was WAYYYYY down below me. Excellent performance on T/O.

All my 744 flights have had long take off rolls.... so I cant say that they were very powerful. BUT, I love watching the heavy wing & winglet move up and down when taking off.... after we gain speed / altitude it seems to stiffen up, but on T/O the whole wing moves up and down....gotta love it  Smile  Smile

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Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:32 am

When it comes to the noise, nothing beats old Tu-134A on takeoff...
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:13 pm

Delta's flight 55 takeoff by MD-11 ATL-NRT.

Of course from the past.

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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:30 pm

From my experience, the KE 773 had the most powerful take-off because of the extremely high power-weight ratio. I was on it 2 years ago from Seoul to Bangkok and the PW 4098 engines are extremely powerful! I would imagine the 773ER may even beat that with the GE 90-115 engines but not sure because of slightly lower power-weight ratio due to the heavier widebody frame it has to carry. So my best guess is the 772LR which will probably win the most powerful take-off because of the highest power-weight ratio.
 
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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:42 pm

I think is the TITAN IV, and from what I read this baddass is more powerfull than the SaturnV that carried the Appolo mission  Big thumbs up

Or the one that carried Buran, Energia LV, the former Soviet space shuttle..

Well that offcourse if you consider "lift-off" is the same with "take-off"... Big grin

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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:36 pm

I would have to say the most powerful and exciting take off I have experienced was when I flew LAX - SYD on Qantas. It was a 747-400 heavily loaded as we had non-rev passengers asked to de-plane because of weight restrictions and to allow for additional last minute cargo.

It was the usual 11:30ish departure with heavy rain during take-off. I also looked back into the engines on rotation and saw sparks in one of the engines as if one of the blades was scraping the engine casing.

We lifted off with about 300ft of runway left and I honestly felt the 747 was really giving all she could.

It was awesome!

Anyone know what those sparks could have been????

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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:25 pm

Go to SVO and watch a Tu-134 or Tu-154B-2 take off. Now you'll know what noise is...
 
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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:25 pm

Travelling from Chicago to Seattle often seated us in scantly filled United DC-10s. I loved flying those out of ORD. Seemed over powered.

it was the equivalent of blipping the throttle of a Mk II GTI in first gear at 3000rpm...beautiful.

Old Volkswagons don't really churn up thoughts of power in my mind  Big thumbs up Basically any car with a manual transmission "feels" fast! I would have said something like a Camaro SS or Dodge Challenger...

What were take offs like in re-engined DC8 70s? That could have been something too, I would think...
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:37 pm

ever AF 747 or 340 take off from SXM!


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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:37 pm

In terms of noise, you will NOT beat a fully loaded IL-76TD rocketing down the runway with full flaps set.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:57 pm



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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:02 pm

They're not widebodies, but just about any military jet with an afterburner is impressive, both aurally and visually.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:46 pm

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That was funny.

On the serious side.I think a B772 Take off Light would be Powerful
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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:11 pm

My dad was just tellin me, about UAL's first 744, it was the captains first flight on the aircraft, and was tellin the passengers that they were taking off for the first time in the plane, so he revd the engines with the parking brakes on .... I guess they used to do that in the 747 classics, released the brakes, the plane bounced up and down and went barrelling down the runway.
 
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:13 pm

Well, CO B772/ER after sitting on an IAH taxiway for more than 3 hours due to some stormy weather. We had several crews on board (God knows how many pilots and F/As that were late for work at EWR), and we were 3+ hours late. I adore 772s after that takeoff. I thought the engines would snap from the wings and fly themselves to EWR, leaving us on runway. Absolutely awesome.

Another I had was CO 764/ER take off from GRU to GIG. The plane was pretty empty, and t/o was really powerful.

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Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:42 pm

it was the equivalent of blipping the throttle of a Mk II GTI in first gear at 3000rpm...beautiful.

Old Volkswagons don't really churn up thoughts of power in my mind


i wasn't really thinking of power...i was thinking more in terms of responsiveness.

and i have never driven a camaro or a mustang (even though i would like nothing more than to own a black T-top 2000 camaro SS with the hurst 6-speed transmission)

but the Golf GTI mark II was beautifully responsive and thats more what i was thinking of.
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Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:14 pm

Well... every t/o on American's A300-600R is awesome... that Airbus sounds like a blender and takes off like a rocket (not like the 75' but close)... so that's the most powerful take off on a wide body...

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Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:27 pm

Actually, though not his original question but by his interpretation of Powerful as related to noise then it would to anything not meeting todays noise standards.

As for noise a DC9 is louder than any 747 I've heard. A CV880, 707, DC8 will exceed that as well.

Weather at the time of TO can most decidedly effect noise level as well.

Now for simple interpretation. Take the heaviest older WB and shortest field and I guess you get the results he wants. Older as in engine technology.
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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:12 am

I would throw in a very lightly loaded 744. Flew SAA from CPT-FLL-ATL in March 2001. We had a crew change and passenger debarkment in FLL. As soon as the brakes came off on departure I knew I was in for the ride of a lifetime on this giant. Acceleration was phenomenal as was the AOT of the inital climbout. Then a tight left turn before powering back. Haven't had anything like it since.

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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:54 am

Whitehatter:

That was a funny comment about the 767-400ER, which I had the pleasure of flying in August IAH-AMS.

I'd say an empty 777-200LR (and probably a decently loaded one)

you mean 777-200ER, id bet  Big grin
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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:27 am

I know I've gone off at a tangent but for sheer engine noise during takeoff you can't beat the Rockwell B1 Lancer.
 
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:34 am

ever AF 747 or 340 take off from SXM!

Wow, could this be the first ever mention of the A340-300 in a most powerful thread?!? It sure needs to use all its got at SXM.
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:07 am

It would have to be a 747-300 run I was on QF doing the JNB-PER-SYD run back in Jan 1998.

We were supposed to leave at 4.35 pm. However due to the plane being full, combined with the high temperature and high Altitude of Jans Smuts airport we did not leave until about 7pm.

Due to the full payload of this flight we had to wait for the temperature to go down from 34 to 31degrees before we could take off. The plane used every inch of of runway, and that was a very slow take off. Talk about using all she could muster from those Rolls Royce RB211's.

 
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:35 am


Well... every t/o on American's A300-600R is awesome... that Airbus sounds like a blender and takes off like a rocket (not like the 75' but close)... so that's the most powerful take off on a wide body...

Gotta agree!

Have flown numerous AA A300-605R segments and it's always powerful! Even taking off from MIAA on a hot summer day, fully loaded with cargo and pax, this plane just screams power!
 
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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:37 am

I've seen at least 10 videos of take offs at SXM with AF B747 and A340 and they run their engines up to almost full throttle and let it go. People are usually blowing off the beach into the water in the videos. Awesome stuff!
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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:01 pm

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Could you please post some of these videos.

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RE: What Is The Most Powerful Widebody Takeoff?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:19 pm

I would have to say that the 777 with almost 100,000 lbs. of thrust per engine is the best take-off for me!!! To bad I only flew it JFK-LHR.
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