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SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:18 am

Aviationnow.com has the given headline. Unfortunately I have no further access to the article. Can somebody say ma what the article in general says?
 
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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:26 am

I couldn't find the article, but this is surely in preparation for joining Star Alliance to take advantage of SA)">UA's hub at IAD. Expect to see SA)">UA metal into IAD tagged with SA codeshare flight numbers.
 
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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:26 am

it says that they are planning on starting service to IAD in summer 2005
 
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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:30 am

I think that SA flew in 1993/94 between Washington IAD to JNB.

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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:33 am

SAA will likely shift the flight from ATL to IAD once they leave their Delta codeshare and enter the Star Alliance.
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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:52 am

So I'm assuming they will continue to use the A346s when they start operations into IAD??

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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:58 am

I can't wait for them to fly from IAD-JNB- Makes it a lot easier for me to accrue Star Alliance miles instead of having to go through FRA.
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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:15 am

Does anyone know what kind of passenger levels SAA was experiencing on the flight to ATL? Also, are any of the flights to the United States non-stop or do they stop somewhere in Africa? Thanks

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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:18 am

I hope SA isn't disappointed with the results of this. The IAD hub is a small fraction of the power of Delta's presence at ATL.

Hell, I'd think CLT would have been a better idea (assuming US continues to function) in terms of connective benefits.

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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:21 am

actually AMS

it was a small startup called USAfrica Airways, with a former AA MD-11 or 2

That didnt last long as you correctly said however....


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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:25 am

Also, are any of the flights to the United States non-stop or do they stop somewhere in Africa?

Nope.

They stop in either Dakar or Ilha do Sal.





I hope SA isn't disappointed with the results of this. The IAD hub is a small fraction of the power of Delta's presence at ATL.

No joke. It's also quite close to their NYC operation (another place UA can't really help them), but I don't think that really matters all too much in the grand scheme.
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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:32 am

Some of the JFK flights go non-stop to JNB (only the ones operated with a 744), but going to JFK, they all stop for fuel in DKR (as do the ones operated with the 346 in both directions).

All of the ATL flights stop for fuel at SID (Sal, Cape Verde Islands) in both directions.

I would imagine that the same arrangement with the ATL flights will apply to the IAD flights once they begin.
 
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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:41 am

I would imagine that the same arrangement with the ATL flights will apply to the IAD flights once they begin.

Actually, with IAD they might be able to operate like the JFK flights (and formerly the ATL flights, with the 744), i.e., nonstop to JNB but tech stop on the return--at least during the northern winter. IAD is 300 miles closer to JNB than ATL is, and I believe the airport is at a slightly lower elevation, so that might make enough of a difference.

Then again, with the disappointing performance of the A346, who knows. I'm not trying to start an A v. B debate here, and I have nothing against Airbus in general--they build many excellent aircraft. But it seems a shame to me that the new pride of the SAA fleet hasn't been able to match the performance of the aircraft it has replaced on these routes. Just my two cents.
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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:48 am

Your two cents are flawed. Please don't say anything about stuff you don't know anything about. Its the number one problem with this forum.

The A340-600 has such a huge cargo uptake potential versus the 747-400 that SA has decided it more cost to make a fuel stop in both directions rather than leave valuable cargo on the ramp.

The A340-600 has exceeded SA's expectations in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. The only people who are disappointed with it are here on this forum.

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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:55 am

The A340-600 has exceeded SA's expectations in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. The only people who are disappointed with it are here on this forum.

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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:11 am

The A340-600 has such a huge cargo uptake potential versus the 747-400 that SA has decided it more cost to make a fuel stop in both directions rather than leave valuable cargo on the ramp

A flawed statement in and of itself:

First off, true the A346 has greater cargo volume than the 744, but its payload uplift capability is not "such a huge potential" vis-a-vis the Boeing at all.

Secondly, SA has some of its 744s configured for low-pax/medium-cargo uplift out of the states... some less than 340 seats.

And thirdly, SA has decided that it costs less to make a fuel stop in both directions rather than leave valuable cargo.
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RE: SAA Looking To Start Service To Washington

Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:59 am

Please don't say anything about stuff you don't know anything about.

Get off your high horse for a minute and reread what I wrote. Where did I claim to know anything about the management decisions of SAA, or about cargo capabilities of the A340 vs. the 747?

My feeble mind does know a few things, though. For example, that (a) the 747s were going nonstop for years, (b) now the A346 can't, (c) from a passenger's perspective, that middle-of-the-night fuel stop at Sal Island is not fun, and (d) doing it in both directions is even worse.

So, no matter how much money they make from cargo (which generally doesn't mind tech stops, I might add), it doesn't change the fact that this is a setback in passenger comfort and convenience, and given the fanfare with which SAA advertised their new A346 (they even hinted at one point that it would operate nonstop in BOTH directions!), I think it's fair to call this at least a bit "disappointing." That's all--nothing more, nothing less.

Now, back to the original topic. In particular, I am very interested to know if SAA is planning to fly nonstop from IAD to JNB. If not, would they operate via SID (like the ATL flights)? Or perhaps DKR (like the JFK flights)? Or maybe somewhere else entirely, like ACC or LOS?
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