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Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:32 am

Airbus is killing Boeing in sales this year. When is Boeing going to wake up and do something about it?

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Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:44 am

Here we go!

I must say that India is going to be a lucrative market, Air-India are a good airline but talk about UNDER-ACHIVERS! There are Indian communities everywhere, and most of them fly Emirates to visit the mother country. Those 43 A380s should be in Air-India livery. As an Airbus supporter, I hope they sweep the board. What remains is the perennial question, where the hell are Boeing? The more I think about it, the harder it is to see them dig their way out of the hole they've created for themselves.
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:59 am

I have it, we all take up a collection and buy MDD back from Boeing and sell some real planes!!
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:10 am

There are Indian communities everywhere, and most of them fly Emirates to visit the mother country.

What is your source on this? Just curious...I rarely hear about anybody from the US using EK to get to India.
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:23 am

I rarely hear about anybody from the US using EK to get to India

Prolly' because EK only flies to a single gateway here.... and many pax would soon as rather stick with whatever carrier got them over the ocean.

Give it time, ask EK expands in the N.America, you'll probably see more Indian VFR traffic migrating toward them.


On the other hand, look at the Gulf and UK regions...
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:25 am

Ok back to the original question then: What are they going to do about it?
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:31 am

well if they were listening to what their lost customers are saying, they should beef up their after-sales support!!!

see parallel thread http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1872398/
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:38 am

Ok back to the original question then: What are they going to do about it?

Relocate from Chicago to Dayton. Would that make you happy -- they would then really be in the middle of the nowhere.

I personally will not fly a domestic U.S. carrier using Airbus equipment if I can find a comparable flight on Boeing equipment. What are you doing about it? I fly Song and even Ted over jetBlue all the time for this reason. I also will not step foot on Frontier if I don't have to.

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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:45 am

Qwerty, if charity is the only way to bring Boeing back to the top, then they're in much bigger trouble than predicted.
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:46 am

Wow, Querty you show them, your stance is obviously teaching Airbus and our European members a lesson. Good on you, it is obviously helping Boeing also, all that guaranteed revenue to Boeing customers. I just wish we all did as you, then Boeing could continue on its same poor course and could keep market share.

Its Christmas, so I am not going to tell you what I really think about your post, but it makes us State siders seem a little immature.

 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:53 am

querty,

If the trend continues, you might need to take a bicycle next time you travel in your country and a boat next time you'd like to go overseas.  Laugh out loud
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:53 am

I personally will not fly a domestic U.S. carrier using Airbus equipment if I can find a comparable flight on Boeing equipment. What are you doing about it? I fly Song and Ted over jetBlue all the time for this reason.

Tell me, Qwerty, what planes does Ted fly?
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:05 am

i have seen a movie where someone was running coast to coast...

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Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:14 am

Tell me, Qwerty, what planes does Ted fly?

Very true. I may have posted myself in to a corner here.

jetBlue has never bought anything else so it's like I said, I avoid them whenever possible. Often a Ted flight is most affordable. Usually I can get on a U.S. mainline for the same $$$. My post does hint that I don't fly on Airbus - this just isn't true. I DO, however, try not to. I'm not going to sacrifice money for a more expensive Beoing-equipped flight. But all other things equal, I will take a MD, Boeing, or Canadair equipment over Eurobus.

if charity is the only way to bring Boeing back to the top, then they're in much bigger trouble than predicted.

Read above, it's by no means charity. I just try to put myself on U.S.-made, planes. And I bet you care less whether a 12-year old or an adult sewed your jeans. It's the same point.

And, by the way, who's predicting Boeing's death. Harry Stone-however-you-spell-his-last-name is cleaning house.
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:16 am

i have seen a movie where someone was running coast to coast...

I take the Forest Gump approach to flying - it's like a box of chocolates. On my last trip I flew on a CO ERJ (first trip on CO, first ERJ flight). It just makes things more interesting.

Meanwhile, back on topic.

Even with 52 firm 7E7 orders this year, it looks like Boeing will be some way behind Airbus in booked and announced orders as well as deliveries. We will have to wait some time to see if some of the measures that Boeing is taking will have the desired results - reduced 777 manufacturing costs, revamping the sales team, increasing 737 production rates.

Adding to their other woes, the mainstay of their order books for so long (the US majors) are in pretty bad shape and may not recover sufficiently to be able to help Boeing for some time.

I fear a few lean years ahead for Boeing.  Sad
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:41 am

Querty

This sort of nationalism has long past. I was very happy that Air France bought 777s instead of Airbus, to affirm that the best equipment for the price should win rather than quaint nationalistic preferences. We should encourage competition and development of better products and consider the entire world as one country.
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 4:00 am

Personally, I believe if Stonecipher is serious about " cleaning house," he'd tender his own resignation. He MO is well known from his days at MDD. He nixed MDD's commercial operation by refusing to invest in new technologies and airframe development, and now, some speculate, me included, that he's taken the same mental approach to Boeing's commercial operations--the 7E7 notwithstanding. I'm not convinced that his hand wasn't forced by the board or outside influences in that decision.

Regardless, the "bet the company" spirit is long gone. I have a hunch that Boeing "old-timers" miss the good ole' days.


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Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:50 am

I started a thread a few days ago, saying that Boeing is going to sell B737s cheaper now, after all the B737 orders that they lost to the A320.
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:29 am

Airbus is killing Boeing in sales this year. When is Boeing going to wake up and do something about it?

Who cares? Compare the hull values and you'll see what's really important. Would you rather buy an airplane that loses 8% in value a year or 13-20%?
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:30 am

Ok back to the original question then: What are they going to do about it?

Relocate from Chicago to Dayton. Would that make you happy -- they would then really be in the middle of the nowhere.

I personally will not fly a domestic U.S. carrier using Airbus equipment if I can find a comparable flight on Boeing equipment. What are you doing about it? I fly Song and even Ted over jetBlue all the time for this reason. I also will not step foot on Frontier if I don't have to.


Well hopefully now that everyone else has told you, Ted flies AIRBUS! In fact, United has the most Airbus aircraft then any other airline in the U.S. (I think). I don't see what you have against your eurobusses , because lots of people need to realize that Boeing is in trouble and pretending that airbus makes crap is stupid because if they were, why would so many people buy them?

Sorry if I come out hard and I don't mean offense to qwerty at all, it's just my $0.02

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Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:00 am

Qwerty:

Have you ever wondered why a small US airline like Frontier who wanted to buy Boeing - fully expected to be going with Boeing - ended up with Airbus?

The Frontier order was there for Boeing to lose, and they did. And it wasn't just about price.

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Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:02 am

Well Airbus3801, you threw your $0.02 in and I'm afraid I'm going to have to give you some change back. Northwest actually has the largest Airbus fleet in the US with its mixture of A319, A320, and A330 aircraft.

As far as Boeing being in a present state of hardship, it's going to take them several years to regain the market share that they once had. If you think about it, the 737NG's are still selling strong and will continue to sell strong for the forseeable future. The 7E7 is consolidating two aircraft (757 and 767) into one. The 777 is seeing fair sales, and will continue to sell well for quite a while (God it's hard to think that it's been 10 years already for the 777 in operation). The 747, is supposedly going to see a major revamp in an advanced series---and if Boeing can pull off what they did with the -400 series they'll be okay. Things don't happen overnight, but give it some time and Boeing will come out fine. Kudos to Airbus though, they've had a tremendous year!

Edit: Sorry, grammatical error.

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Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:43 am

Boeing still has a 50% market share in values...

So you're just asking why Boeing has no more 75% market share ?

I would rather ask why they should have 75% of market share ?


We have 2 companies with similar products + 2 Boeing focus markets having big troubles (USA & Japan).
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:00 am

Not that I "hate" Airbus or something.... and neither do I want to start an arguement but I recently came accross this quote:

"....the A340-600 sux, the constant oscillationns from turbuklence' make you spill your 'caf'e au lait'....."
Captain a340-600

These are the exact words the captain used. No personal opinions here since I have never flown on one.

Also they did say that it was the quietest aircraft though.

So coming back to the topic.... I think that Boeing is going to be helped by such things if the captains keep on saying these things.

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Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:09 am

Actually, I think electing to fly a single aircraft make does not help the concerned aircraft maker.

I sounds more like a desperate measure, or pity!

If you want to help Boeing react, you should on the contrary fly the competition. Then I guess when Boeing realizes that airlines AND passengers are not 'happy' with the product and turn to the competition, especially the 'local' customers, it'll be the needed slap in the face.

That's kind of how Airbus was born after all...
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:18 am

"If you want to help Boeing react, you should on the contrary fly the competition."

Thats like going to a sporting event and cheering for the other team to get your team to play better.  Smokin cool
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:45 am

Cedarjet:

I suggest You studying the market effects of a little thing called "duopoly". In a nutshell: It's a condition where market is being controlled by two entities, where entity A is leading entity B in sales for a X number of years, followed by entity B leading entity A for Y number of years reciprocally. Don't worry, Boeing will be on top again. Just be patient and wait for the next big DL/CO/AA order once their 767s are too old to be profitable.
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:50 am

When the US market picks up again then Boeing will be back on top in terms of sales
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:53 am

At the present time Airbus have 247 orders and Boeing 213.
Boeing have far more widebody orders than Airbus so far this year.

This is not killing!

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Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:08 pm

The answer to the question is that they should move their production plants to Europe so that the European governments will subsidize their R&D plus take over their pension and health care costs so that they can sell their planes cheaper than their competitor and take market share. Why not? What's the old expression: "If you can't beat em join em!"

I like Airbuses just fine. What I don't understand is why Airbus crows about it's market share gains. Boeing's best customers in the U.S. can't afford to order pancakes for breakfast these days and Boeing still maintains 45 to 50% market share. So, what's so special about what Airbus is doing? Anyone can buy market share if you have a decent product to sell. Increasing shareholder value and producing a product that sells itself without heavy discounts is another issue.
 
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Boeing and industry analysts have already said they will be lagging behind Airbus in terms of sales for a few more years, as they re-group, re-organize and re-strategize. At least we all know now that at least some of the analysts are right once in a while.  Yeah sure
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:13 pm

Francoflier, exactly which airlines are so 'unhappy' with Boeing's products? To Aither, I completely agree with you. Airbus and Boeing both make good products, so its only reasonable to assume that they each claim about a 50 percent market share.
 
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Airbus is killing Boeing in sales this year.

Right,

It's like Hyundai is also killing Mercedes Benz in sales this year too
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:35 pm

Once the airlines figure out how ridiculously stupid they were for buying an aircraft that was far too large and unnecessary (A380) for them, they'll all want a 7e7!!  Big grin
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:52 pm

We need to set some ground rules for the Boeing vs Airbus fights. #1, Is this a Airplane vs airplane fight ? Or #2, Is this a Airbus the corporation vs the Boeing corporation fight ??? Here's my 2 cents. On a 100% scale... Boeing wins Airplane vs Airplane competition by 51% to 49%, Airbus wins the corporation competition by 90% to Boeings 10%.
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:45 pm

There is an old business saying, "Sometimes the best deal is the one you don't do." Boeing learned in the 90s that giving away airplanes and running production lines that are going so fast that suppliers can't keep parts coming fast enough is no way to run a business.

Boeing has to answer to shareholders, and they, including me, want to see planes that are built profitably, even if that means passing potential orders because of unrealistic discounts demanded by the carriers.

Airbus, being controlled by state-run industries, is more interested in market share. Sales price is secondary to getting aircraft off the line and in the air.

Unfortunately for Boeing, some of its best customers, including AA, CO, DL, and UA, aren't in any position to buy aircraft. I'm sure AA would like to take more 737-800s, and all four carriers would love to start planning to replace the older 757s and 767s with 7E7s. I'm sure that those orders will come in, but probably not for 3 to 5 years.
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:21 pm

I will use the A32S and B73S as an example throughout his post and all expressions throughout this post are that of my own

Anxebla,

I think that's the point he's trying to show. Quality vs. Price. This is an on going battle of who can offer the cheapest price yet will provide a product of high quality. Eventually something somewhere in the product will suffer, and if it doesn't than the competitor is an idiot not to jump on that bandwagon.

Boeing is standing firm with their products in that they will not drop quality for price. Most if not all LCC's DO NOT buy new 737's in Bulk. I don't know exact numbers off the top of my head but the production of say the A32S vs. the B73SNG isn't even worth comparable. The A32S is much higher than the B73SNG. I don't understand why people keep bitching about how this is better than that and that is cooler than this or whatnot. You are comparing a/c that 1) In the same "class" yet so far apart 2) one a/c is being built in bulk compared to the other and 3) The two a/c makers are totally different in their approaches and final production of the product at hand.

Yes they both do make big bricks with wings but they are soooooo different in sooooo many ways. Yes they do make changes in their production in reaction to the other, TO A CURTAIN DEGREE (I.E. 787/7e7=A350, A380=B744Adv)!

Here's a question for ya! I am Pro-Boeing yet support Airbus in different ways. For all of those "I will pay more if I can get a Boeing over an Airbus" or "I will not fly an Airbus a/c over XXX Hours", What exactly are you saying. Are you holding against the airline, aircraft, or aircraft maker? If you look at the 737 vs. A32S the A32S probably has a better track record than the 737's built after 1989 (just about before/after the start of the A320-100). We even crab about how they make more and how they are cheaper so how does it have a better record yet at the same time still have more birds in the sky (seeing how the production rate for this family is faster than the 737 family.

All I can say through my (Personal Views/Expressions) is that people will hold their opinions for one reason yet say its another.

In response to the question;

I feel that it's a battle of old school vs. new school. Boeing seems to be holding its ground in how it operates and how it will make their products yet Airbus seems to be making their products based on what the customer needs/wants. Boeing will make a quality products (as does Airbus) but will hold its ground and not let anything slip an inch on its quality management. A loyal Boeing customer will come up to Boeing and state it's wishes. They will also mention of the rough times and competition between other airlines and how they need to purchance a/c for lower prices. Boeing says that they will "meet them half way" yet seems not to make it all the way. That customer turns around and is left to find a new a/c to purchase, at this point Airbus is there ready to win them over. Though this ambulance chaser approach might seem raticle they win the customer over and that's one more point for their score board.

Though I am a pro-Boeing person I really have to tip my hat off to Airbus for their ability to win a customer (even the most loyal customer of Boeing) over the computer yet still manage to produce a quality a/c at the price and standards that airlines need/wish to have.

I think this battle needs to stop b/c as long as there are a/c makers there will be a vs. b related battles. Give it up!

Thanks again.

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UA777 - sorry, the "Quality vs Price" argument is not an argument, it's (sorry to say that) stupid.

And of course, a product has to be made for customer - customers may be as loyal to the product as they want to: if a company doesn't hear the customers needs, they can leave. And a customer doesn't only want to have price (see the AirAsia comment in this forum) but also quality. You can't sell planes only via price, also quality has to be fine. And the airlines know that A has also good quality.
The times of monopoly have gone - and it seems as if B is very unhappy with it. Now they start to build modern and economic planes. And that's great. Otherwise they still would build more and more 767 and 757.

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Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:00 am

I think the old saying "take care of the customer - or someone else will" is very appropriate in this case. It appears to me (through the comments by AirAsia and Spirit) that Airbus is being a true partner to potential customers while Boeing is trying to "sell" them.
Having been in corporate sales the majority of my career - the customer has to believe that the benefit equals (or beats) the cost. The Hyundai v. Mercedes analogy is very real. If someone wants (needs) transportation the sales approach for each manufacturer is totally different - one would sell on price the other on quality and possibly customer service. You have to know the customer and their needs - and right now I think Airbus is winning that fight. It appears to be a re-occurring theme that Airbus is doing more for the customer and is not winning on price alone.

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Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:01 am

NumberTwelve

but the quality issue isn't about airworthiness. The a3XX series does not last as long as Boeing without a lot more maintenance.

They are cheaper to acquire but the total cost of ownership is the important number. Just ask America West, Airbus quietly replaced an entire tail empannage in back at the factory when the highest time A320 (40,000+ hours) developed mysterious cavitation issues in the tail. The engineers thought it was impossible until the reproduced in flight.

I am not A vs. B either, I love the A3xx series, and I like the 777. The truth is, Airbus is what you but for short term, Boeing is what you buy for long term. It is neither good nor bad, it is what it is.

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........."I am not A vs. B either, I love the A3xx series, and I like the 777. The truth is, Airbus is what you but for short term, Boeing is what you buy for long term. It is neither good nor bad, it is what it is." 1millionflyer That is not the truth. Airbuses last just as long as a Boeing will.................................. That's another made up lie by the Flag wavers. American's A300's have been around for a long time I know Fedex's A310's have been around a long time to ... Neither has plans to get rid of them soon.
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Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:03 am

Once the airlines figure out how ridiculously stupid they were for buying an aircraft that was far too large and unnecessary (A380) for them, they'll all want a 7e7!!

Tell that to everyone who was buying 747s 30 years ago... Really mature comment...  Yeah sure
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Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:08 am

Why should Boeing fight to compete with Airbus in the low-margin commercial aircraft business, when they can make huge margins on the defense side of the business?

Take a look at profits...Boeing is posting huge profits despite the lackluster commercial sales. Boeing has chosen to de-emphasize its commercial business and pursue the more lucrative defense business. I can't say that I blame them.

Airbus, Embraer and Bombardier all rely heavily on gov't subsidies for their commercial aircraft business. Why should Boeing compete against that when they can get their own gov't subsidies on the defense side of the business?

Note: I'm not trying to start an A vs B war. Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier and Embraer are ALL subsidy whores in one way or another.

 
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Dc10guy

I didn't say they woudn't last, I said over a long period of time the total cost of ownership (acquisition cost+maintenence) is higher for airbus after 10 or so years. so less than 10 years, Airbus is cheaper, after 10 years Airbus is more.

I am not a flagwaver by any strech, I TRY to fly on A3xx in the US.

this is based on fact not A v B.

I am sure NWA has spent more on Maint on the DC-9's than they paid for the entire airplane back in the day, that is total cost of ownership.
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Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:14 am

flyPNS1:

Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier and Embraer are ALL subsidy whores in one way or another.

About time someone said that. Welcome to my respected user list.



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POLAND IS UNDER DICTATORSHIP OF JAROSŁAW KACZYŃSKI AND HIS PUPPET GOVERNMENT. DEMOCRACY SHALL PREVAIL.
 
DC10GUY
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When Is Boeing Going To Wake Up?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:05 pm

1millionflyer, I'd like to see them numbers, Our Airbuses cost a lot less to fuel, maintain and fly then our Boeings. And they are all over 10 years old.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
AirbusDriver
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When Is Boeing Going To Wake Up?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:59 pm

I flown both (B737-300/400 & A319/A320/A321)and (B767-200ER & A330-300) and hands down the Airbus is of better quality. Yes I know it's just my opinion, but after spending thousands of hours flying all of them...
 
scotron11
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When Is Boeing Going To Wake Up?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:08 pm

Well, to coin a phrase: I WANT THE 747ADV, and I want it NOW!!!!!!
 
NumberTwelve
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When Is Boeing Going To Wake Up?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:08 pm

1millionflyer: "They [Airbus] are cheaper to acquire but the total cost of ownership is the important number. Just ask America West, Airbus quietly replaced an entire tail empannage in back at the factory when the highest time A320 (40,000+ hours) developed mysterious cavitation issues in the tail. The engineers thought it was impossible until the reproduced in flight."

I remember when LH ordered 744's they sent a coworker from Lufthansa Technik (maintenance) to SEA to control Boeing's work. He was responsible that Boeing worked propperly especially in the part of the plane which will be very hard to controll afterwards.
This happened because of different occurences that time.
But that's a shame I think. To send somebody from airline's maintenance to check if plane has been built propperly.
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