junior1970
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American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:29 am

Now that we already have 5 major airliners from the US (NW, UA, CO, DL, US) in high frequencies flying to AMS to different hubs (MSP, DET, IAD, ORD, EWR, IAH, ATL, CVG, JFK, PHL), will we ever see American Airlines opening a service to AMS from one of their hubs ?

 
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:33 am

Looks like they used to in the past...


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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:35 am

IMHO, not very likely. With the carriers you mentioned there is plenty of capacity, and not much room for another...

AA had planned ORD-AMS before 9/11, then dropped it. Don't see this route coming to fruition...
 
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:55 am

AMS would be a good market for AA out of ORD, JFK or the new DFW International Terminal D. I think there would be enough demand to warrant a 763 on the route. They are currently the ONLY US major that doesn't serve Amsterdam.

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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:45 am

AA's partner in One World is out of LHR (BA) why even consider AMS except for O&D passengers. There are better cities and countries for AA to look at other than AMS!
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:54 am

There are better cities and countries for AA to look at other than AMS!

AMS is doing very good with a high amount of convenient connecting possibilities, Do not forget how successful CO is doing from/to AMS, Also DL most profitable route is ATL-AMS

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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:03 am

"AMS is doing very good with a high amount of convenient connecting possibilities, Do not forget how successful CO is doing from/to AMS, Also DL most profitable route is ATL-AMS
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:07 am

Ok, I can see your point, However CO and DL were already doing very good to AMS before they entered the Sky Team alliance.

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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:12 am

AMS, I think if AA started up service now they would be up against the carriers from the USA that have already been in the market for years and have built up a following, thus making it harder for them to grow the market for themselves.
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:26 am

I think if AA started up service now they would be up against the carriers from the USA that have already been in the market for years and have built up a following, thus making it harder for them to grow the market for themselves.

OK, fair point, On the other side if AA would fly to AMS it could offer the following possibilities for their Passengers, Also in conjunction with the Open Skies agreements between the U.S and the Netherlands:

EI.....can Offer codeshare flights from Dublin and Cork v.v.

BA.....Can Also offer codeshare flights to even offer more possibilities, especially to LON

AY/IB can offer more possibilities to HEL, MAD,BCN

CX.....AA Passengers would have the possibility to connect on the Daily CX flight to HKG and beyond.

Regards,
AMS

 
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:28 am

AMS.

Good point and well taken.
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:47 am

OK, fair point, On the other side if AA would fly to AMS it could offer the following possibilities for their Passengers, Also in conjunction with the Open Skies agreements between the U.S and the Netherlands:

EI.....can Offer codeshare flights from Dublin and Cork v.v.

BA.....Can Also offer codeshare flights to even offer more possibilities, especially to LON

AY/IB can offer more possibilities to HEL, MAD,BCN

CX.....AA Passengers would have the possibility to connect on the Daily CX flight to HKG and beyond.


Why would AA passengers need to fly to AMS to connect to those when they are offered from the US? AA codeshares with IB on JFK/MIA/ORD-MAD; with AY on MIA/JFK-HEL; with EI on BWI/BOS/ORD/JFK/LAX-DUB/SNN, with CX on JFK/LAX/SFO/YVR-HKG. There is no need to have passengers connect in Amsterdam.
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:56 am

The ex-USA AMS market is somewhat hit-or-miss - it's a good market for CO/NW but a weak one for US, for example. Given the entrenched players on ORD/JFK-AMS, and the likelihood that DFW-AMS would flop miserably, it makes sense for AA to bypass a chance at AMS in exchange for more lucrative opportunities.
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:07 am

There is a HIGH density of Dutch/U.S passengers traveling between the U.S and the Netherlands. Also there is a very high traffic between AMS and the Caribbean, Netherlands Antilles, Since AA is the number 1 U.S airline to this region, it can benefit from this, and also there are many passengers from Germany and Belgium flying from AMS.

I do not claim that AA should start a 777 service!, but in my opinion there are some possibilities for AA, and also since there is no place to grow anymore at LHR for example, AMS can be a good option.

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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:13 am

The main problems are looking at AA's hubs...

ORD-AMS is well served and doesn't need more service.

DFW-AMS is a weak market.

MIA-AMS can handle more capacity, but is a weak-yielding market. Martinair Holland is perfectly suited for it.
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:14 am

"There is a HIGH density of Dutch/U.S passengers traveling between the U.S and the Netherlands"

There is also a HIGH amount of capacity on USA-AMS flights, offered by a combination of US, Dutch, and third-country players. AA would be an also-ran capturing low-yield VFR traffic at best.
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:29 am

ORD-AMS is well served and doesn't need more service

Ok, UA and KL/NW are offering direct service, however this a high demanding route, Even when RJ and KU had direct flights, Flights were most of the time fully booked

DFW-AMS is a weak market

DFW is the main HUB for AA, and this would offer many convenient connecting flights on the AA network.

MIA-AMS can handle more capacity, but is a weak-yielding market. Martinair Holland is perfectly suited for it.

MIA has always done very good from AMS, Yes MP is having frequent (Full) flights most of the time to MIA, but is definitely not a weak yielding market.

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AMS

 
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:52 pm

I heard that for US and UA, AMS is one of the worst performing cities.
 
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:57 pm

AA's partner in One World is out of LHR (BA) why even consider AMS except for O&D passengers. There are better cities and countries for AA to look at other than AMS!

AA could very easily make a DFW-AMS work or a ORD-AMS work and it would be profitable. The problem AA has is, they want to expant, but don't have the hardware. AMS would take planes from their fleet that they could be flying into other European destinations...ATH, BCN, FCO, etc

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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:27 am

JFK-AMS would do well with American
 
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:50 am

Does anyone know when or why AA originally withdrew from AMS? Itt appears they flew there sometime in the past if the photo above is anything to go by.

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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:00 am

"AA could very easily make a DFW-AMS work or a ORD-AMS work and it would be profitable. The problem AA has is, they want to expant, but don't have the hardware."

AA has the hardware - it's just a matter of re-jiggering the intra-North America 763 allocations. However, as stated earlier, AMS is a VERY fickle transatlantic market - the city is a high-yield gold mine for some carriers (e.g., NW, CO) and a low-yield scourge for others (US). AA has probably decided that serving AMs is not worth the financial risk for the time being.
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:27 am

"AMS would take planes from their fleet that they could be flying into other European destinations...ATH, BCN, FCO, etc"

FCO maybe, but you would see AA serve AMS before Barcelona or Athens, would you not?
 
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:36 am

. AMS would take planes from their fleet that they could be flying into other European destinations...ATH, BCN, FCO, etc

AA flies ORD-FCO and JFK-FCO.
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:47 am

I heard that for US and UA, AMS is one of the worst performing cities.

UA maintained 777 service on the route right up to the recent Pacific expansions.

Cargo. Cargo is the major reason why AMS works out well. AMS's "trading post" status makes it a great place to fly planes with spare belly capacity.

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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:06 am

Cargo. Cargo is the major reason why AMS works out well. AMS's "trading post" status makes it a great place to fly planes with spare belly capacity.


Yes, this is correct, AMS is a huge Cargo Port, and also has a large Mail sorting office, mainly sorting out Parcels and other Mail heading for Eastern European destinations, arriving (mainly) from North America.

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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:43 am

... CX.....AA Passengers would have the possibility to connect on the Daily CX flight to HKG and beyond...

Since when is this flight daily? I think CX operates a 5 days a week service from HKG to AMS.
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:19 am

Personally I would love to see AMS-MIA by AA connecting to their extensive South American and Caribbean network. It would save me the trouble of one extra connection or switching to another airline whenever I fly to South America.

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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 10:07 pm

No point them starting this route, they stick em on the flights to LHR and then conect them on BA hops over the channel. Im sure BA likes it as it fills capacity. When i flew to AMS on BMI it was full of connecting passengers from other airlines!

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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 10:21 pm

Perhaps AA wants to avoid Blue/Red tails doing AMS-DFW as a reaction..

Both will have A332´s perfect for that job..
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RE: American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 6:53 am

Personally I would love to see AMS-MIA by AA connecting to their extensive South American and Caribbean network. It would save me the trouble of one extra connection or switching to another airline whenever I fly to South America.

I could not agree more with you!, Since AA is the U.S main leading airline to the Caribbean and South America, this would offer so many possibilities from AMS!

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