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How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:20 pm

Greetings! May be a stupid question, but....
In this photo, taken from the flight deck of a C-5, how is the truck (which appears rather nearby), visible right through the windscreen? Considering the massive height of the Galaxy's cockpit, shouldn't the truck be well below the line of sight of it's windows?

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[Edited 2004-12-24 06:21:41]

Okay, for some reason I can't the link to A-net photos to work for the life of me. So here is the URL of that picture: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/498959/L/ Hopefully that will work.

KAUST

[Edited 2004-12-24 06:28:11]

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:41 pm

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:45 pm

I wonder if the truck is on some large flatbed vehicle. Notice on the right windshield, a cab with a driver is visible. Almost like he's towing or pushing whatever the truck is on (but the truck has a driver) ???
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:51 pm

I agree, it looks like the truck is on top of something else....that C-5's cockpit is a good 30 feet up there, and it doesn't look like the photographer is standing THAT far up....and the nose must be down as well, or else we wouldn't have such a view out the front windscreen  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:04 pm

It's an optical illusion created by the aperture setting used by the photographer. Just a trick of the lens.
Yes it looks like the truck is on top of something, the tarmac.
The reflection is visible on what looks like wet ground.
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:21 pm


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Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:25 pm


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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:18 pm

Yea, the truck is setting on something, notice how the forklift is lower than the wheels of the truck.


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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:39 pm

Look carefully. It seems the forward cargo door is open. You can barely see it through the top of the windscreens.

Not that it matters much in this discussion.

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:44 pm

The truck IS NOT on something, look at the front left tyre, you can see reflections from the tarmac where it has recently rained. Also, you can see a driver in the cab of the truck.

It's perspestive, the truck might be quiet a distance from the plane. The photograher has also used a wide angle lens, this could play a part in the truck looking closer than it actually is.

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:17 am

This definitely messes with one's mind! Nuts
If the truck is on the tarmac, than it would have to be some really HUGE truck. Also, where then would the forklift right behind it be? It looks "lower" but can't actually be below grade.
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:33 am

Simon

Just a technical offering

With a wide angle lens objests look further away


Picture still looks weird though

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:25 am

Just to through in my $0.02...

I agree with post #8. The cargo door is definetly open. See those two bars sitting dead center outside of the windshield? Yeah, thats the support struts.


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So, I'd guess that the planes nose is pointed down slightly and the person taking the photo is standing up.. hence the illusion.

Anyone with me on that theory?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:33 am

I totally agree with you Jeff...I was thinking the same thing until I read your post...I found that someone had thought the same as me
 
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:38 am

This is obviously an edited picture. Even if it was real, look at all other pictures of the C5 cockpit. You see scenery outside. The only part of the "ramp" that you can see is under the tire of the truck and the rest of the picture is all white. This is an edited picture. Also notice the door supports, at the top they come over the "top" of the windscreen on the inside of it, thats obviously a cut and paste also. Reason I say that is look at the old "star nav" windows at the top, those are white too, not filled in as if the front cargo door is open. The only thing thats real from the picture is the cockpit.
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:55 am

As someone who has ground handled more C5s than I care to count, but has not spent that time on the flight deck....

A. Initial thought was the photo was doctored. A possibility....

B. It also could be that the C5 is "forward knelt". In other words the rear MLGs are fully extended and the nose gear is fully retracted. This configuration results in a decidedly nose down deck angle, useful for loading large objects and rolling stock with minimum ground clearance thru the nose with the visor raised.
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 4:01 am

That "photo" just screams "Photoshop!" to me!

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 4:36 am

The photo is real. It's just an optical allusion. The Fire Truck in the photo is closer to the aircraft then it looks. Also, with the nose open, you loose the prospective of depth... you'll need to remember that the aircraft drops right off in front of the windows now. The second photo that JeffB used would be the view from the truck.....

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:08 am

I presume the truck is raised purely from the fact that there is a guy sitting in what looks like aforklift truck cab in the bottom left hand corner of the right window
 
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:40 am

Look at the forklift carefully. Where is there any depth to it. It has to be a doctored photo (I don't know why, unless its on a secure base). It looks like somebody cut out both the forklift and fire-truck... where is the depth to it? It looks like they were added last second in an attempt to get it approved.
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:44 am

I'm going with "doctored" as well.
 
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:54 am

Sorry gang, it's not doctored... i thought it might be a first but why would somebody go to the trouble when it's so easily explained in another way?

The exposure is set for inside the cockpit, hence the ramp (probably concrete) out the window is over exposed & washed out. The height and angle of the cockpit are easily explained by the kneeling landing gear of the C5. Probably the aft kneeling hydraulics are malfunctioning forcing a nose load or the load is low ground clearance and requires loading thru the nose....
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:35 pm

Does anyone have any experience with Flight Simulator 2004? THE FIRE TRUCK IS THE EXACT ONE. THIS PICTURE IS A FAKE, ALSO LOOK AT THE GAUGES THEY ARE RIGHT OUT OF FLIGHT SIMULATOR, fake pictures a.net needs to remove this immediately!
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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:13 pm

Again, it's not a fake...it's an optical illusion created by the cameras optic plain. A 747 flight deck is roughly the same height off the ground as a C-5. Take a look at these....


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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:20 am

Look at reply12. You can clearly see how far forward of the windscreens the botom of the cargo door is. Now look at the topic picture. Could there be a distortion of distance as mentioned. Looks that way to me.

PS That panel looks like most of the other C5's I was on while in the Air Force. Any info B757capt where the AF is getting all these FS2004 panel conversions?

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:47 am

The cockpit looks like a flight sim panel because the panels are designed to look like the real thing. Cameras can deceive with their images, and can really mess with your head, and this is just another one of those cases.

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RE: How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?

Sun Dec 26, 2004 2:36 pm

I'm going with doctored as well. The cockpit part is real, but the view may be edited.

In any case, to clear somethings up. It is not a 'trick of the lense' caused by the photographer using a particuliar aperature. The aperature would decide how much of the picture is in focus and the clarity, that is all. It doesn't make things look further or closer.

And it is not because the photographer used a wide angle lense. If anything, the wide angle lense would make the truck seem further. Telephoto lenses kill the depth of field, making things seem much closer together than they are. It kinda smashes the apparent distance, not just makes things look bigger.

It would be nice to find out concretely either way, as it just doesn't look right even if you factor in kneeling and standing.
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