junior1970
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KLM In Japan

Sun Dec 26, 2004 11:43 am

Whatever happened to the KLM services to Nagoya and Sapporo in Japan ? Why were they cancelled ?
If my memory serves me right, these services didn't seem to last long. (Both no longer then 2 summers ?????).

KLM decided to focus on 2 big hubs, Tokyo and Osaka ?


 
AA B777-200
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RE: KLM In Japan

Sun Dec 26, 2004 6:35 pm

Junior 1970,

I know KLM was doing pretty well on the AMS-CTS-NGO flights, but since yields were low the first downsized the 747-400 to a MD11.
I think I read somewhere that KLM was only granted NGO rights if they served BOTH CTS and NGO and in the end that was NOT attractive.

They pulled out the 4 times weekly flight and decided to use the jets on more profitable routes.

KIX sees a daily 747-400 (mix of both -combi and -full pax) and so does NRT, where KLM flies a mix of 777s and 747s.
Since AF doens't fly to NGO either, maybe someday they will return.... Who can tell!
 
Trvlr
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RE: KLM In Japan

Sun Dec 26, 2004 6:55 pm

It was pretty cool seeing a European carrier in CTS. NGO used to have fairly extensive European service, with BA, AF, KL, and LH. Lufthansa still operates to Frankfurt, and I think JAL might still fly to London.

I think it's quite possible we'll see one or two European carriers back to Nagoya once the new airport opens.

Aaron G.
 
AMS
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RE: KLM In Japan

Sun Dec 26, 2004 8:44 pm

KIX is really working out for KLM. Also KLM makes a lot of money on the Combined Cargo Flights to KIX/NRT, Most of the time with very expensive Cargo

Regards,
AMS
 
Carpethead
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RE: KLM In Japan

Mon Dec 27, 2004 2:12 pm

Firstly, current NGO only has a 2,740m runway which limits payload on those long trans-Siberian routes. CTS has a cooler climate and a 3,000m runway which allows a better payload capability, hence the routing via CTS.

Initially, the AMS-NGO was twice-weekly with 744/74E but increased to four-weekly M11 before being cancelled Jan. 2002.

With the new Centrair opening, KLM may return.
 
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RE: KLM In Japan

Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:32 pm

I'm still optimistic about NGO!!