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Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 12:53 pm

Not earth shattering news here, but I thought it was interesting in light of the MDW nonstops being dropped. I was checking on expedia and it seems that in Feb. DFW-MCO nonstop goes to twice daily. I wouldn't be surprised if there were others.

MCO seems to be turning into a defacto mini hub or at least focus city.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:04 pm

FL needs to solidify itself @ DFW in light of the failure to secure ATA's Midway operation. I would guess this is just the first as many such additions in frequency.

 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:13 pm

FL has always had something with MCO...after all, they are based on their own street in Orlando...it's always been a mini hub for them...now, if they would get the balls to go after WN on FLL-MCO!

BTW, they will/are fly/ing MCO-MDW.
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:13 pm

I have to believe that they have something in mind somewhere. They have 19 aircraft on the way next year, and that probably means more than just connect the dots here and there. When they announced the MDW deal, they mentioned getting away from relying only on ATL. I don't think that idea has changed, but who knows where. If USAir goes away, they'll have more opportunity than aircraft. Otherwise, DFW seems like a good bet. If they were not worried about competing with WN, how much worse could AA be?
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:15 pm

They have also added frequency to ATL. They are up to 7 nonstops daily.

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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:28 pm

It would be nice payback to WN if FL makes DFW the second hub right
in their own backyard, before the Wright Amendment is repealed.
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:34 pm

I know that when FL moved to their new gates, they subleased a couple back to eagle, I believe. If they do try some type of build up, I wonder if they will go to the former Delta area.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:40 pm

If they moved to Term E they would have to do some major remodel work the terminal looks like its in the 80's. Who knows you would have 21 gates to choose from in Term E. They only have 4 in Term B right now and they sublease 2 to AE throughout the day. They use all of their gates at night when they have their RON and around 3pm-5pm they some times use 3 depending on if a flight is late or not.

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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:50 pm

DFW may be willing to make some serious concessions for anyone willing to fill the old Delta terminal. Could be alot better in the end rather than paying ATA $90 mil for their gates and Dallas o/d traffic is nothing to sneeze at compared to Chicago with less airlines hubbing there.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 2:15 pm

Sounds like they're filling a gap left by DL's imminent pullout of the daily 2x 757 and 1x M90 run....I've seen alot more metal on this route before even. DL is just handing this market away to whoever wants it.

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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 2:25 pm

I'd say you are right about that. AA will no doubt pick up some of the old DL traffic, but I'm guessing that many DL passengers were looking for an AA alternative. The same could be said for LAS, LAX, SFO, MCI and others.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:12 pm

Delta would likely be happy to help Air Tran set up shop in DFW in order to relieve some of the pressure on them @ ATL coming from FL. I haven't followed the Delta/DFW thing that closely other than to know Delta is shutting down the hub- have they negotiated an out to gate leases and the terminal? Could they sell directly to Air Tran or not?
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:18 pm

Everything that I've read in the media, leads me to believe that they are out of these leases, but I'm not sure. I know DL will only be flying to it's 3 main hubs going forward.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:48 pm

I noticed that FNT, JAX, and RDU are picking up frequencies. I just looked in March, but all 3 cities showed 5 dailies as opposed to the 4 they are flying now.

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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:35 am

I think we could see DL and FL sharing term E...3 gates for DL and the rest for FL. will DL keep the crown room club for their loyal DFW following?
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:20 am

"I think we could see DL and FL sharing term E...3 gates for DL and the rest for FL. will DL keep the crown room club for their loyal DFW following? "

Have you heard something? Did DL have a separate terminal for the RJs (terminal E)?

 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:24 am

I noticed that FNT, JAX, and RDU are picking up frequencies. I just looked in March, but all 3 cities showed 5 dailies as opposed to the 4 they are flying now.

RDU had 5 frequencies. It was losing one if FL was moving to MDW. Since they are not, they are just putting it back in the system and maintain the 5 dailies we currently have.
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:29 am

ERJ170,
RDU is still losing one frequency effective Jan 13 despite us not getting
MDW. We are losing a mid afternoon flight and our last flight out of ATL
will leave at 2115 instead of 2255 now.
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:33 am

So we are moving from 5 to 4? is this permanent? 717-200.. does FL plan on adding any more destinations from RDU at anytime? And has FL moved their baggage claim from the main claim in Terminal A to the Extension baggage area?
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:49 am

ERJ170, At this time AirTran has no plans to add any more destinations from
RDU. Even if USAirways bites the dust soon I would be surprised if FL added
any other destinations. The best place in my humble opinion for FL to add
another destination to out of RDU would be DFW. Our bag claim has been
at Terminal A Extension for several years now.
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:52 am

I wish they would check into those CLT nonstops to Florida. Absolutely no low fare competition nonstop. Purely a USAir monopoly.
It would be like shooting a duck on the water.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:52 am

MCO seems to be turning into a defacto mini hub or at least focus city.

MCO has been a mini-hub ever since the two airlines merged to create the current AirTran Airways.



Once again I ask, if US goes under, might we see an FL mini-hub started at MCI with those five USAirways gates in terminal A?

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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:43 am

"Once again I ask, if US goes under, might we see an FL mini-hub started at MCI with those five USAirways gates in terminal A?"

I can't see it happening. WN has the lions share of traffic there (although MDW is the same way). There just isn't enough traffic or population to justify the flights beyond the ones already there. I'm amazed that USAir has 5 gates. Most of the USAir flights at MCI are actually props by a small feeder going to small citys in KS.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:05 am

will DL keep the crown room club for their loyal DFW following?

DL had 3 Crown room clubs at DFW they will close all but one.

Have you heard something? Did DL have a separate terminal for the RJs (terminal E)?

DL used gates E19-E34 with E22-E30 being in the satellite terminal, for the Delta Connection service or I should say RJ city.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

http://www.dfwairport.com/terminals/terminal-e.php

FL has a couple of options for gates at DFW. One they are not using all of their gates now. They could pick up 2 more gates in Term B right now B35 and B39 which would give them 6 gates. Those gates are a little far from their current gates though. If US goes under and pulls service that would be an additional 3 gates for a total of 9, in Term B. They can also move back over to Term E which needs a major REMODEL and choose from 21 empty gates, but some of those gates would be in the satellite terminal.
I heard a rumor that they might want to fly to some INTL' destinations out of DFW- southward. They might be able to get a gate in the new Term D or share one at least.

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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:18 pm

It's been 5 years since I last connected in DFW on DL. E wasn't the flashiest terminal, but I've seen worse (STL, LGA, ATL C concourse). Is E really that bad or is it just carpet and paint bad? In any event, DFW would probably pay for the biggest end of any repairs if they had a tenant.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:37 pm

Good for passengers bad for us fuelers at MCO. Means more flights lol...
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:53 pm

"Good for passengers bad for us fuelers at MCO. Means more flights lol... "

Do you have enough gates down there?
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 1:07 pm

Info in terminal E at DFW (was there last week) is that they have mostly remodeled the concourse where the skylink trains will stop(two station stops)where the passengers will go up to the highest level of building, and get the train(will have views of the entire terminal when you get on it)OPERATIONS for skylink will be summer 2005. This will be a fast two directional track train, that it will give passengers quick connections to other terminal and offline carriers. FL has a great opportunity to have a great system in DFW for its passengers to connect within the terminal and other connecting terminals.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:16 pm

The FL history with MCO is somewhat complicated. Before the Air Tran/Value Jet merger, FL was an exclusive Orlando carrier, providing service to many 2nd and 3rd tier destinations in the midwest and southeast from Orlando. Places such as Des Moines, Knoxville, Moline, etc....

When FL inherited the Value Jet Atlanta hub, that became the central focus of the airline. In 1999, Air Tran pulled the plug on all Orlando flights that did not touch Orlando, except for a once a week flight to Akron/Canton. Now, five years later Orlando has been built up to a level higher than even prior to the merger. It really began in 2001 or so, but the destinations served are totally different. Many are old routes flown by Eastern or US Air that had been abandoned. (Like MSP, BWI, DFW, DAY, Newport News replacing Norfolk an old EA route) Others are to similar cities that Air Tran used to serve from Orlando. Right now, Air Tran offers no potential connections in Orlando, but is filling close to 30 flights a day on O&D traffic alone. It is remarkable, and my guess is that Air Tran will continue to serve new desrtinations from MCO, which like ATL goes right after DL’s heart. Another reason why DL would be wise to accommodate Air Tran anyway it can in DFW.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:29 pm

"I should say RJ city. "

LOL! DL really seized having a hub at DFW years ago, and it has now simply been a hub where ASA passengers can connect to SkyWest or vise versa.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:51 pm

Regarding MCO, didn't FL give up some of their new gates to WN right after 9/11? The last time I was there, things seemed to be getting a little crampt. Is there any way to get more space on that airside?
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:08 am

I think Airtran has a total of 5 gates now in MCO. They just added gate 110 not to long ago.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:50 am

"I think Airtran has a total of 5 gates now in MCO. They just added gate 110 not to long ago. "

Was gate 110 an old National gate? I thought that the airside was full.

 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:57 am

Was gate 110 an old National gate? I thought that the airside was full.


Gate 110 was formerly used by Spirit. Spirit moved to old US Airways gates, I believe.

As far as the flights, MCO-DFW does go to two-a-day on Feb. 9th. Also, on that day, MCO-MDW goes to two-a-day. MDW-SRQ starts Feb. 1st. It looks like MDW-RSW, TPA, and FLL have been scrapped for now. I heard MDW-FNT might be in the works, though.
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:12 am

The latest on Delta's Terminal E and the BIG airline shuffle to take place at DFW.

Delta will close its Ticket Counter located near E33 entrance (Gates 31-38 area) at the end of the day on Jan 30, 2005. As for the gates Delta will take over hasn't been determined as of yet, but looks like...

F9 will move to E and be at gates 2 & 3,
NW gates 4, 5 & 6
CO gates 7, 8, 9, 10, & 11
DL gates 12, 13, 14, & 15
Shared gates will be DL/AM/MG/SY gates 36, 37 & 38.

* These gates will be closed as soon as Terminal D opens sometime in the summer of 05.

After Feb 01, 2005 from gates 18-38, the entire terminal will be completely remodeled (top to bottom). Once this phase is completed, then F9,NW, CO & DL will move into the (High end) gates 20-38 and phase 2 begins.

Phase Two:
The main Delta ticket counter, NW/CO ticket counters will be closed, and gates 2-17 will be completely remodeled with food places on the outside area of security as well.

Finally when Terminal E is completely remodeled, the airlines in Terminal B will then move to Terminal E. Terminal B will be the next Terminal to be completely remodeled similar to Terminal E. Eventually all 4 original terminals will have a "new" look, similar to what is being done in Terminal D.

Looks like the master plan now shows AA-eagle taking over all of terminal B, AA will stay in A & c (which will be the last two to be remodeled).

Sooooo Long to the 70's look!!!!!! Yeah!

Plus, rumors still around that Song might come into DFW...announcments regarding Song will be made in 7 weeks..mid Feb, 05.

Too all, have a safe and Happy 2005 New year!
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:50 am

AirTran in Orlando just got Gate 110 about two months ago. After Spirit relocated to Airside 3 (with NW, UA, US, & DH), Airside 2 was left with two open gates; B6 got 111 and FL got 110.

There is a rumor that they are planning on adding two additional gates on the end of their concourse, which is of course only a rumor. There has been no construction whatsoever to support this. There are no open or "unused" gates on Airside two, even though the terminal was designed with a multi-use gate system all gates have preferential use by an airline. There is space on airside two to add an extra "finger" to the terminal, however it's more likely that GOAA is going to concentrate their construction and expansion efforts to the new south terminal currently under construction. The new South Terminal won't be finished until 2008-2012.

Should AirTran add two gates on the end of their concourse, it would allow FL to add an additional 15-25 flights a day. I personally wouldn't mind seeing some southbound (international) destinations from Orlando, however FL would need to relocate to Airside 1 or 4 which have FIS as Airside two does not.

Who knows, maybe they'll move to the new terminal when it's completed...


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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:13 am

"AirTran in Orlando just got Gate 110 about two months ago. After Spirit relocated to Airside 3 (with NW, UA, US, & DH), Airside 2 was left with two open gates; B6 got 111 and FL got 110"

I thought USAir had at one time several gates at MCO. Is their old concourse empty now or are there any empty gates at MCO?
 
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Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:18 am


It seems that all the empty gates which were once used by US have been taken by DH and NK.

Airside 3 which had been empty at one point is springing back with life... With the addition of DH & NK to airside 3 the food court is now more crowded than ever. GOAA has even added a new snack bar by US's gate 56. Looks nice...
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:26 am

The latest on Delta's Terminal E and the BIG airline shuffle to take place at DFW.

Delta will close its Ticket Counter located near E33 entrance (Gates 31-38 area) at the end of the day on Jan 30, 2005. As for the gates Delta will take over hasn't been determined as of yet, but looks like...

F9 will move to E and be at gates 2 & 3,
NW gates 4, 5 & 6
CO gates 7, 8, 9, 10, & 11
DL gates 12, 13, 14, & 15
Shared gates will be DL/AM/MG/SY gates 36, 37 & 38.

* These gates will be closed as soon as Terminal D opens sometime in the summer of 05.

After Feb 01, 2005 from gates 18-38, the entire terminal will be completely remodeled (top to bottom). Once this phase is completed, then F9,NW, CO & DL will move into the (High end) gates 20-38 and phase 2 begins.

Phase Two:
The main Delta ticket counter, NW/CO ticket counters will be closed, and gates 2-17 will be completely remodeled with food places on the outside area of security as well.

Finally when Terminal E is completely remodeled, the airlines in Terminal B will then move to Terminal E. Terminal B will be the next Terminal to be completely remodeled similar to Terminal E. Eventually all 4 original terminals will have a "new" look, similar to what is being done in Terminal D.


I have never heard of any of this and I work at the airport. I know they are doing some facelifts to the terminal but, not a complete remodel that includes shutting down gates. Also F9 is not moving from Term B that was the plan, but F9 paid a lot of money to move to B36 and they are going to stay there. I'm sure the airport could work that into a deal to get a new carrier into Term E.
 
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:45 am

Airtran is also increasing ATL-SRQ.
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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:44 pm

"ERJ170, At this time AirTran has no plans to add any more destinations from
RDU. Even if USAirways bites the dust soon I would be surprised if FL added
any other destinations. The best place in my humble opinion for FL to add
another destination to out of RDU would be DFW. Our bag claim has been
at Terminal A Extension for several years now."

717-200 - Are the RDU numbers that stagnant for FL? I just read today that you guys are now adding a new nonstop to Florida out of Newport News. I don't understand why FL doesn't show more faith in its loyal pax base at RDU. In your previous incarnation as Valujet they offered several nonstop's from RDU including PBI and MCO. Even though I am a Skymiles member I fly FL to ATL frequently because I enjoy the business class service with FL, but to be perfectly honest I haven't flown you lately because DL is showing a legitimate interest in increasing nonstop's from RDU and you guys don't seem to appreciate your RDU base IMHO. Your suggestion of RDU-DFW is a wonderful choice to start with. I have never enjoyed the MD-80 series aircraft and now try to avoid it at all cost since watching the "Air Disaster" special on Alaska Airlines Flight 261 that crashed into the Pacific. I like my aircraft to have a redundant system for all major components. I would love to see your 717's take me to DFW nonstop!!!


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RE: Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO

Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:44 am

Womack17,
The difference between RDU and Newport News(PHF) is that at PHF
there is really no competition aside from ASA and USX. I believe PHF
has some kind of a travel bank/incentive program for AirTran that is
similar to the ones we have with ICT, PNS, and now SRQ. The previous
nonstops that Valujet had out of RDU in the mid-90's were long before
WN came here to RDU in June 1999. There is too much competition at
RDU at the present time for FL to consider flying to anywhere but ATL.
RDU-DFW is a possiblity in the future especially with DL dehubbing there
in the next month. Also I can say from a very good source of mine that
AirTran will not be moving to A24 for at least 6 months. Apparently for
some reason the RDUAA wants to hold onto it for now even though a
new jetway has been installed and US is still parking a 737 overnight
at A24 ramp space. It looks like RDUAA is waiting to see what happens
with US.


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