The777Man
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AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:27 am

Hi !

With the first Boeing 777 being delivered to Air-India, last Friday, does this mean that Air-India is more likely to order the 777 as their new long haul aircraft ? I know that there's a very long process and that AI recently had to start the process all over again although with the addition of ultra-longhaul aircraft to be ordered as well. Opinions please !

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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:17 am

Firstly with this try by leasing 3 ex T7s UA , surely at a good price , they will be able to evaluate the Boeing plane to see if it would be a good plane for them.I think it doesn't mean it will buy new 777s built , neither A340s (300 or 500 or 600) .When they will be ready to officially sign for a long haul order the 7E7 and the A350 will fly.............
 
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:29 am

Seeing that they are looking for an ultra long range aircraft they will look for 777-200LR or A340-500 and to serve medium range missions they could take a look at 7E7s, A350s, 777-200ER or 777-300. Given that they are leasing the 777, it might give a slight edge to Boeing but that depends on how the aircraft perfoms profit wise on the LHR-BOM route as well as other destinations that it will serve.
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:40 am

Air India's official statement on this subject is :

"The question of having more than three Boeing 777s in our fleet would depend on the techno-economic study that is currently underway as part of our acquisition plan. In the event of 777s being preferred to a comparable aircraft from Airbus, we will certainly add more Boeing 777s."
"The A340-300 may boast a long range, but the A340 is underpowered" -- Robert Milton, CEO - Air Canada
 
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:56 am

Hi All,

My parents are going to be travelling on the AI 777 in the next week. I was just wondering what the aircraft is likely to be like, in the sense, will the PTV's be working? Have they changed the seat config?

Any info would be appreciated.

Moheet  Smokin cool
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:03 am

Also when are the going to start flying out here to LAX?

Any info thanks in AAdvance!!
 
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:50 am

AI's current fleet uses GE and PW engines, and the 772ERs AI is leasing use PW engines. Is the engine manufacturer going to be a criteria in fleet selection, especially if AI considers aircraft in the 772LR/A345 and 773ER/A346 classes? Given the A340NGs use Rolls-Royce engines, would this reduce the chances of A340NGs being selected as well as A343s (which do use CFM engines) if AI decides to have a common engine manufacturer for the new fleet.
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mauriceb
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:40 am

although im a huge boeing fan, i think they will jump on the A340-500 if they really want ultra-long haul planes. As some of you mentioned they will most probably only add second-hand planes. Since there aren't any 777-200LR's build and SQ maybe can get a good price for there A340-500 in favoure of the 200LR i think the chance of A340 in Air India's fleet is fairly big.

But if they don't need the ultra's i think they will jump on the 777. There aren't really second-hand A340's up for lease/sale and there are some UAL 777's.....



guess this is another case of just wait what will happen....
 
IndianGuy
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:11 pm


Be happy that we have finally got a new aircraft

Actually Karan: AI has got old aircraft. Rusting away in the desert for years b4 Air India decided to take them up.

Harrumph! "Palace in the sky" indeed! "Rust Buckets in the Sky" is more like!

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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 8:19 pm

Right Indian Guy,
Planes parked in desert with no humidity are rust buckets! Very knowledgable.
All planes parked and stored should not be brought back to service at all.
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:15 pm

AI has got old aircraft. Rusting away in the desert for years b4 Air India decided to take them up.

Rusting aside, she is still the youngest member of the fleet by a long way!  Big grin
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:42 pm

***"Seeing that they are looking for an ultra long range aircraft they will look for 777-200LR or A340-500 and to serve medium range missions they could take a look at 7E7s, A350s, 777-200ER or 777-300"***

I agree. But will they buy new planes at all. Its as if that they try their best to get used planes so I don't know about the Lr's or E7's.
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kkfla737
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:45 pm

I have not looked up the registration individually on three 777s as of yet, but given that UA took its first 777 delivery in the Summer of 1995, the planes are actually quite new by AI standards.
 
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:57 pm

AI has got old aircraft. Rusting away in the desert for years b4 Air India decided to take them up.

Personally I've seen N205UA from Outside,Looks quite good.
Structurally I have to speak with Someone from AI Engineering with Structural Approval.

Any Aircraft when preserved/Stored have a Inspection Schedule that needs to be followed at Fixed durations Calender period wise.Regular checks,servicing are carried out either Weekly/Forthnightly/Monthly/3 Monthly/6 Monthly/Annually.
If followed well there is no question of A problem Structurally.
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:24 am

AI has got old aircraft. Rusting away in the desert for years b4 Air India decided to take them up.

Roy, this is completely false as the longest any of those planes was stored was for 17 months, the others for roughly 14, and 7 months.

Cheers,
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:01 am

When is the first flight to LHR with this new T7?

I heard it was scheduled on the 30th Dec, is this true, i would love to go and shoot it as it arrives!

Chris
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:21 am

HAWK21M,

"Personally I've seen N205UA from Outside,Looks quite good."

Careful there Mel, you don't want to upset Roy's fantasies. Afterall, since he's already made this statement,

Rusting away in the desert for years. . .*

on this thread alone, he clearly isn't exactly interested in the truth, only what he imagines next.  Insane

Hamlet69

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Shortest: 9 months
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:01 pm

How are these aircraft configured?

Do they have the same configuration as UA's 3-class 777s with the First Suites in First?

Will AI's pathetic website ever be updated to provide details on its most modern fleet addition?
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:19 pm

saw an ad from Air India in the ascent today. they require 38 captians on permanent basis and 19 co-pilot trainees on 5 yr contracts. Have not mentioned the a/c type. could this be for the AI express or the future T7 leases?
 
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HAWK21M
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:51 pm

Guru....I think they are required for the AIE B738s.

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MEL
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RE: AI 777 In Service; AI More Likely To Order 777?

Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:02 pm

mel,

i had thought as much. keep seeing that space on the ascent i wud say....... opportunities aplenty.

best,
guru

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