junior1970
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KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:13 am

How strong is KLM in Latin America. Ofcourse they are strong in the Caribbean at CUR/AMS/SXM/BON.
But what about all the other countries, let's say south of Mexico ?
 
Southamerica
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:21 am


The AF/KLM group is the second strongest player in Latin America after Iberia.

The other destinations served by KLM metal are: Quito, Guayaquil, Lima and Sao Paulo. All with MD-11, except the latter, which is served with the 777-200 on a 6 weekly basis [to be uograded in the future].

Caracas was also one of their stations in the region, but was dropped rather recently. Now AF has announced increased capacity to CCS [747-400].



SOUTHAMERICA
 
wimpycol
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:42 am

hey SouthAmerica thanks for the info!

Please don't forget the 3 weekly 747-400's and 3 weekly 747-300's (SLM) from AMS to PBM (Paramaribo - Suriname / Surinam). Although a lot of people think Surinam is apart of the Caribbean.. Its really a country from the main land of South-America.

with kind regards,
Willem Alberto
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
 
diezel
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:09 am

I'm hoping for years now, that one day AF/KLM will add La Paz, Bolivia to their destinations.

Roel.
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Southamerica
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:37 am

Please don't forget the 3 weekly 747-400's and 3 weekly 747-300's (SLM) from AMS to PBM (Paramaribo - Suriname / Surinam).

Surinam certainly isn't a part of the Caribbean, but I wouldn't consider it in Latin America either, under its conditon of former dutch colony. For the record, I didn't forget.  Big grin


I'm hoping for years now, that one day AF/KLM will add La Paz, Bolivia to their destinations.

From a very optimistic perspective, as possibilities are negligibles. If a flight to Bolivia is ever stuidied, VVI is the strongest candidate to nab the services.




SOUTHAMERICA
 
hardiwv
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:49 am

I'm hoping for years now, that one day AF/KLM will add La Paz, Bolivia to their destinations.

I agree with SOUTHAMERICA, I dont think that LPB and/or VVI are in KL plans for the time being. Probably the first European airline to fly direct to Bolivia would be IB.

The destinations served by KLM metal are: Quito, Guayaquil, Lima and Sao Paulo. All with MD-11, except the latter, which is served with the 777-200 on a 6 weekly basis [to be uograded in the future].

Just a note to remind you that KL also flies daily to MEX with the 747!

As pointed out, GRU is served 6 x week with the 777 and as of Jun/05 will be upgraded to daily flights. GRU was KL launching destination for the 777 - before April/04 GRU was served with KL 747.

KL also has a partnership agreement with TAM (JJ) which connects pax onwards from GRU to EZE and GIG.

GRU, MEX and PNB are the only destination in Latin America to be served non-stop, as Quito, Quayaquil and Lima all have stops in one of the Caribbean islands. PNB is served codeshare with Surinam Airways, and fares are always very high as both Surinam and KL have a virtual monopoly on this route.

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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:54 am

On a sidenote, if we throw in the KLM's cargo operations (or better KLM's 50% daughter Martinair cargo operations because they're the one very active in Latin America) one can see that Latin America is an important market for KLM (control almost the entire flower traffic between Latin America and Amsterdam). But then again I reckon the question wasn't abot the KLM Group...
 
Southamerica
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:55 am

Just a note to remind you that KL also flies daily to MEX with the 747!


Hardi, before corrections, take a look at what the initial post said:



But what about all the other countries, let's say south of Mexico ?

 Big grin


SOUTHAMERICA
 
hardiwv
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:00 am

SOUTHAMERICA:

Tks for the correction. I indeed overlooked the "South of Mexico" in the initial post.

LJ:

Very interesting point about Martinair, which not only operates charter/holiday flights but also has strong cargo operations.

What are Martinair's destinations in LatAm?

I know Martinair operates 2 x week nonstop flight AMS-FOR in Brazil with the 767-300. Any other destination? Maybe CUN?

Rgs,
 
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:37 am

Surinam certainly isn't a part of the Caribbean

Geographically that is accurate but check, they are members of the Caribbean Community Caricom!!

Juan
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LJ
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:39 am

What are Martinair's destinations in LatAm?

Own freight flights south of Mexico:
- Quito
- Guayaquil
- Bogota
- Lima
- Santiago de Chili
- Buenos Aires
- San Juan
- San Jose (next to pax flights).

They had a freight service from caracas but this is probably axed as I can't find anything anymore on this service

However they have an affiliate (Tampa Cargo) in Colombia which feeds the MIA flights but I'm not sure about the exact nature of the relationship. I think MP owns part of the airline but I'm not certain) If so the entire Tampa network can be added up to the MP network



 
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:50 am

Martinair has like 40% of property in Tampa Cargo since the late 90s and yes, sometimes they switch flights. I've seen Martinair MD-11s at MDE, which is the Tampa hub.

As a side note, KLM once operated to BOG but thr service was short lasting.

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wimpycol
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:52 am

Hardiwv:


Martinair operates flights to the next destinations in LATIN America


Brasil on B763's
FOR - 2 x week nonstop flights

Costa Rica on B763's and/or MD-11's
SJO - Daily's via Orlando or Miami

Cuba on B763's and/or MD-11's
Havana - 3 x week nonstop flights some via Santo Domingo / Holguin / Montego Bay
Holguin - 2 x week via Puerto Plata or via Havana B763's
Varadero - 2 x week nonstop flights on B763's

Dominican Republic on B763's and/or MD-11's
Puerto Plata - 5 x week nonstop flights - some via Punta Cana / via Holguin / via Montego Bay
Punta Cana - 5 x week nonstop flights - some via Puerto Plata / Porlamar / Santo Domingo
Santo Domingo - 2 x week nonstop flights - some via Havana / via Punta Cana

Jamaica on B763's and/or MD-11's
Montego Bay - 2 x week nonstop flights - some via Havana / via Puerto Plata

Mexico on B763's and/or MD-11's
Cancun - 5 x week nonstop flights

Trinidad and Tobago on B763's
Crown Point - 2 x week nonstop flights - some Porlamar

Venezuela on B763's
Isla Margarita/ Porlamar 1 x week nonstop flight

Keep in mind that they also have some extra seasonal charters!!!


MARTINAIR Cargo
with MD-11F's and B767's

from Latin Amrica to AMS - nonstop and via other airports
BOG - 6 x week flights
EZE - 2 x week flights
CUN - 2 x week flights
GDL - 2 x week flights
GYE - 5 x week flights
LIM - 3 x week flights
MBJ - 1 x week flights
PMV - 2 x week flights
POP - 2 x week flights
PUJ - 2 x week flights
UIO - 5 x week flights
SCL - 2 x week flights
SJO - 6 x week flights
SJU - 5 x week flights
SDQ - 2 x week flights

between America's
(ATL)-MEX - 2 x week flights
(ORD)- MEX - 3 x week flights
BOG - (MIA) - 1 x week flight
BOG - (SJO) - 5 x week flights
EZE - BOG - 1 x week flight
EZE - LIM - 2 x week flights
EZE - MIA - 1 x week flight
GDL - BOG - 1 x week flight
GDL - SJU - 1 x week flight
GYE - (ORD) - 1 x week flight
GYE - MIA - 3 x week flights
LIM - BOG - 2 x week flights
LIM - MIA - 2 x week flights
LIM - SJU - 1 x week flight
MEX - BOG - 2 x week flights
MEX - (ORD) - 1 x week flight
MEX - GYE - 4 x week flights
MEX - UIO - 4 x week flights
MEX - SJU - 2 x week flights
MIA - EZE - 3 x week flights
MIA - SJO - 4 x week flights
MCO - SJO - 3 x week flights
UIO - (ORD) - 1 x week flight
UIO - MIA - 3 x week flights
SJO - MIA - 4 x week flights
SJO - (MCO) - 1 x week flight

MARTINAIR.... like IB to latin America but for CARGO!!


Regards
Willem Alberto
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: KLM In Latin America (Except For Caribbean)

Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:34 pm

KLM used to serve a lot more direct, but these destinations were dropped (in addition to Bogota and Caracas already mentioned):
Guatemala City, San Jose de Costa Rica, Panama, Rio de Janeiro, Montevideo, Buenos Aires, Santiago de Chile.