jpintoa
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Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:02 am

Is there any flight tracker that you actually use?
 
san747
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:06 am

http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight. Shows all arrivals at any North American and Caribbean airport for the day. Very useful for spotters!
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:07 am

http://www.fboweb.com

Love it. Worth the $9.95 a month. (Its unlimited)



[Edited 2004-12-28 19:07:47]
 
unitedrhapsody
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:10 am

If I need to track a flight, I use either

http://www.flightview.com
or
http://www.flytecomm.com

These two provide free real-time info with a map of the Aircraft's location
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:17 am

Is there any flight tracker that you can actually use for free?
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:25 am

FBOWeb is definitely the best I've ever seen. I just used the free version, but I was amazed at the detail. I had a relative flying on DL009 (LGW-ATL) and DL1773 (ATL-PDX) yesterday and followed it most of the way. It showed the approach patterns each time, clearly showing the downwind/base/final legs. Excellent quality!

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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:27 am

http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight is completely free. Once again, it shows all arrivals into any North American or Caribbean airport that day, and it shows the status of all of them.
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:36 am

http://www.gofox.com/tools/traveltools.php?pid=1213392&tool=tracker is pretty good. Shows a map of where the aircraft is along with it's airspeed and altitude.

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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:38 am

How about Europe and the med, is there any free pr paid?????
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:16 am

How about one that tracks flights all over the world?
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:52 am

How about one that tracks flights all over the world?

This is my suggestion, even though it takes a bit of work.

There's a way to force flytecomm.com's flight tracker to display flights all over the world, but you have to use the advanced tools to find them.

If you go to the normal flight tracking page, click on "Click here to track a random flight" (works best when there aren't a lot of U.S. domestic flights in the air), and it will pickup flights around the world. Then write down the codes it uses for the different airlines. Such as "MYT" for My Travel Airways, "BAW" for British Airways, "EZY" for EasyJet, etc. Then in the future you can manually enter the airline code and flight number to track flights where ever you want using the Advanced Users section. I don't know of a comprehensive list of the airline codes flytecomm.com uses. Maybe someone else does.

Cheers.
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:54 am

Thank you for the info AeroWesty I will try that. Does anybody have any info on Capri's question about european flight tracking websites?
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:39 pm

Flytecomm is good but many smaller (non-U.S.) airilnes don't show up.

They also need to update their airline codes. Some flights I've seen have the name of an airline that no longer exists.
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:20 pm

Flytecomm.com works for CDG, LHR.................etc also. Try it !

for CDG use LFPG, for LHR use EGLL, for GAT use EGKK and so on............oh and for SXM use TNCM. All of these of course go into the "advanced users" field for arrival airport.


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RE: Flight Trackers

Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:08 pm

Thanks a lot Mike@MSP. It does work and finally and I can see what's going on over Europe using Flytecomm.
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:25 am

I didn't know flytecomm showed Heathrow and Gatwick and Paris! I knew about SXM, but not of those airports! Wow, this is great!  Smile
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RE: Flight Trackers

Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:55 am

All the trackers you mentioned are extremelly limited for one simple reason they will never correct: they are browser based. That's why they say they are unlimited...because a browser limits all you can do.

I've used AirNav Live Flight Tracker for years and it by far the best I've tried.
Cheap, easy to use and a stand alone software. You can open many views at the same time (for example to monitor LAX and JFK approach simulataneously).
And I've heard they be adding UK airspace soon.

Their website is at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com

And BTW: they are the major sponsor of airliners.net...have a look at the bottom of any airliners.net page.

A free trial is available from their homepage.
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:16 pm

Yeah I stumbled across it myself.....................got bored looking up all the US airports there so I just started playing around with airport codes and  Wow!


I always bring my laptop with me down to ORD/MDW ...................hit Flytecomm in the morning in the hotel b4 plane spotting!!

Mike @ MSP
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:17 am

I feel Flytecomm is pretty accurate................updated every 5 mins, and always seem to be right on. Granted it's not completely live and you really can't watch planes moving................but what the heck it's free!

I still think it's a great spotting tool.........not to mention picking someone up at airport. Alot of my non-airplane geek friends now use it too!

Mike @ MSP
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:43 am

Does anyone have any idea on how these flight trackers work actually? Does they receive information of aircrafts speed and altitude directly from any radars or is it the information send from the transponder?

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RE: Flight Trackers

Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:00 am

I've used AirNav Live Flight Tracker for years and it by far the best I've tried.
Cheap, easy to use and a stand alone software. You can open many views at the same time (for example to monitor LAX and JFK approach simulataneously).
And I've heard they be adding UK airspace soon.

Their website is at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com

And BTW: they are the major sponsor of airliners.net...have a look at the bottom of any airliners.net page.

A free trial is available from their homepage.


Sorry, but I have to disagree. Airnav is the worst one of them all. I've said this before in another 'flight tracker' thread. Points of departure and destinations rarely show, aircraft types rarely show and planes mysteriously vanish off the map and suddenly re-appear a few hundred miles further into their journey. Also, if you rattle up a particular airport for arrivals and departures it only lists about 75% of what's actually due.

For example, the AAG709 Electra I reported a few days ago did appear on the map (luckily, else I would have missed it) but didn't show in the St.John's arrivals, where other Iceland-Canada bizjets and ferry flights were doing.

In my opinion it's very temperamental and patience is required with it.

Be advised that the 'free trial' isn't actually correct. The 'free trial' consists of using old, saved flight information - so in essence it's a 'demo' not a 'free trial' as none of the flights are live.

Personally, I use FBOweb's $9.95/month package which I reckon is the best by far. It isn't very good on European flight coverage and that's where I use flytecomm.com. FBOweb also has a flight archive which I find handy to see what I've missed while working away, as does Flytecomm, but Airnav doesn't.

FBOweb is the best for bizjet coverage too. If they don't show it, none of them will.

Hope that's of help.

Cheers,

Rob K  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:21 pm

I like www.fboweb.com or www.passur.com. I use passur a lot. I usually go back about an hour and replay then it gives me the information on a flight. Now this is not a flight tracker where you can follow a flight for it entire flight, you can only track a flight until it gets too far away from the airport you are monitoring. I think most are like a 90 mile radius. The only thing that sucks is that the only way I can get info on a plane is to go back an hour and replay. Would be nice if it was live, but I still enjoy watching BOS and JFK. Makes me wish I was there to watch all the heavies. Now I have never been able to get any info on any planes at LAX. Does anyone know why?
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:29 pm

RobK: Sorry but I totally disagree with you. I've used all of them and AirNav Live Flight Tracker is by far the best. It has many features others don't have. Important: they show you what the FAA radars sends them and not estimates like many others do. This might explain that sometimes some flights do not show.

Let me say that your opinion is very strange: your conclusion is that a browser based system is better than a Windows standalone program...really strange. Have you seen the latest graphical features of their version 6?

Also don't forget that AirNav has been used in many TV shows and even for NASA studies so unlike what you told, it is something you can rely on for its extreme accuracy.

About pricing I'm not sure on how their trial works...any have a look at:
http://www.airnavsystems.com as I'm sure it is explained there.
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:30 pm

I use www.passur.com to find out which planes are flying over my house, and flytecomm to find arrival information on various airports, especially when I am spotting. The only thing I don't like about flytecomm is that you can't list departures from airports like you can for arrivals. Other than that, both of these websites are very helpful, and above all, FREE!  Smile

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RE: Flight Trackers

Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:33 pm

I ditched fboweb for red1  Smile
 
sidishus
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RE: Flight Trackers

Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:56 pm

All of these systems derive their data from the ETMS database. Inside CONUS they work well. Outside CONUS expect the positional data to be missing or inaccurate.

http://www.volpe.dot.gov/ourwork/dimensions/050604/etms.doc

[Edited 2004-12-31 06:58:48]

[Edited 2004-12-31 07:06:59]
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sidishus
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RE: Flight Trackers

Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:03 pm

Eurocontrol has the ETFMS, but AFAIK the public access is still really expensive and not in general use by any of the ASD vendors...At least not at prices the airlines I am familiar with can pay.

http://www.comsoft.de/download/atc/background/etfms_atti01.pdf
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RE: Flight Trackers

Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:09 pm

UK feeds were available prior to 1999 (approx). Now, special permission is required for the ASD vendor and user to access this information. Dimen Intl's Flight Explorer is the most stable and thorough ASD available on the market. Behind that is RLM and SkySource. AirNav is fourth in my opinion. Having used all of these for many years, Flight Explorer is still the best. In terms of web based flight data services, FBOweb is still on top.

Overseas flights can often drop off the map and reappear since their position data is derived from global satellite and radio communication providers such as BlueSky, Honeywell, and SkyConnect Iridium. ACARS data is also used. All of these supply international flight tracking data to ASD vendors as well as the FAA. So in the case of the AHG L-188, most likely they stopped receiving data for that particular aircraft and it timed out in the system.
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sat Jan 01, 2005 12:52 am

What is CONUS?  Confused

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Dirkou
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:38 am

Air1727: Have a look at the below screen shot...don't you agree that AirNav Live Flight Tracker is very superior in terms of graphics compared to the other products?








Despite this, what other flight tracking program gives you multi-window tracking capabilities (2nd shot) and up to 60 hours per month for non-professional users for just aprox $10 a month? That's 6 times more usage time than its competition.

Ok there are free web based flight trackers but none of them will give you the control that a windows application gives you and the price is the same...

Flight Explorer still has a 10 year old program look and is very limited (just 10 hours per month), Flightview looks even older and its home based user version is a joke and FBOweb is simply a web based application as explained above.

Just my 2 cents...
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:45 am

Dirkou, Airnav flight-tracker is cr@p !  Big thumbs up

Cheers,

Rob K  Wink/being sarcastic

 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sat Jan 01, 2005 3:14 am

Your opinion...  Big thumbs up  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:12 am

Dirkou, the key here is what do you need? Do you need pretty colors and geographical paintings? Or do you need fast, reliable data? Flight Explorer has more feeds than any other ASD vendor. I need an ASD that tells the story and has the most comprehensive support and coverage. I don't need asthetics. I have used AirNav several times and enjoy it. But in terms of speed and cleanliness, it can't touch Flight Explorer (from my end at least). If you like to have multiple windows going and your own personal topography painting, rock on!  Big grin
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:16 am

Overseas flights can often drop off the map and reappear since their position data is derived from global satellite and radio communication providers such as BlueSky, Honeywell, and SkyConnect Iridium.

This kind of information will only go to the customers (aircraft operators) paying the vendors who ingest this data from customer's flights. For instance, if KLM is contracting with a vendor to ingest FMC position data from KLM's flights via Satcomm, that data will be available only to KLM. Now that same flight is also giving position reports to New York Oceanic as well (as an example), and its that data we see in these various flight tracker programs.
The overseas flight information in the systems described in this thread is from filed flight plan data that has been ingested into the ETMS from foriegn ATC services and is notoriously inaccurate...Like very often its yesterday's flight plan for a given scheduled flight. This is getting somewhat better in that some oceanic regions are now providing the CPDLC positional data however.

CONUS stands for CONtinental United States



[Edited 2004-12-31 22:36:46]
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Dirkou
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sat Jan 01, 2005 12:27 pm

Air1727: Thanks a lot for your reply.

You mentioned:
"Flight Explorer has more feeds than any other ASD vendor."

What feeds do they have for general public not counting the ASDI feed? In other words if you buy their program will you be able to see aircraft which data they receive from other feed not being ASDI?

If you read their website they say they have global coverage which is totally not true: they may have it but you would have to have a Private Jet with special equipment onboard. So someone could think that by buying FE you could have tracking of a London to Tokyo British Airways flight and you cannot.
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:06 pm

Lets Rephrase:-
Rank the best freeware International Flight tracker available on the Net.
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Air1727
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:12 am

Global coverage is kind of a gimmick, wouldn't you say Dirkou? Airlines claim global coverage, cellular phones have global coverage plans, etc. But do they cover the globe in its entirety? Nope. Dimensions International works directly with several data providers independently giving them a better edge in precise data. Honeywell, BlueSky, Airways NZ, Sky Connect Iridium, etc. They do not just pull from the standard traffic management system feeds. I have nothing against AirNav Systems at all. They offer a fantastic product. But I prefer Flight Explorer (for professional and personal use).
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ac345yyz
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sun Jan 02, 2005 6:57 am

I use 2 different flight trackers...Try them out!
www.flightview.com -The best one
www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/delays/tracker-index.htm
 
Dirkou
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:16 am

Air1727:
"Dimensions International works directly with several data providers independently giving them a better edge in precise data. Honeywell, BlueSky, Airways NZ, Sky Connect Iridium, etc."

Could you let me know which, where and how many flights you track with FE outside the USA? I presume just a few business jets with special equipment. So when we got to their page and read "global coverage" what should we think about it? A simple way of getting fast customers without being honest to them...
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:20 am

Flightview.com is missing several charter airlines and also does not cover bizjets or general aviation.

The Usatoday site uses the Flightview tracker so is in effect the same program.

Given the fact that it's missing many charter airlines and also does not cover biz/GA then I can't see how it can rank as 'the best one' to quote yourself.

If you want pretty pictures then Airnav is probably the one for you, if you want the best UK coverage then Flight Explorer is the one for you and if you want a good all round package then FBOweb is the one for you. It's a personal choice at the end of the day.

Cheers,

Rob K  Wink/being sarcastic
 
Dirkou
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RE: Flight Trackers

Sun Jan 02, 2005 11:32 am

Rob K:
I agree with you.

"if you want the best UK coverage then Flight Explorer"
That is only for professionals right? Or can you access UK flight information as a non professional user with any of the programs?

Also does fboweb/flightviews have 5 minute delayed data or real-time data?
 
Air1727
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RE: Flight Trackers

Mon Jan 03, 2005 1:10 am

UK feeds are for professional accounts only and require permission as well (unless you are a UK based firm). The UK data used to be available to all (both professional and personal accounts without permission) but the UK CAA put a lock on it.

Dirkou, I used to work for a 135 carrier and did track business jets over seas. All of your data is delayed approx 3 to 5 minutes. Professional accounts with Flight Explorer and RLM allow for approx 1 min delay. Not sure about AirNav professional accounts.
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RE: Flight Trackers

Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:04 am

I find my favorite flight tracker is www.aeroseek.com/webtrax. It is really good you can zoom in onto which town the flight is over. Sometimes it isn't very reliable because even though it updates every minute it doesn't work within 30 minutes of take-off. Other wise I like it.  Smile

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ac345yyz
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RE: Flight Trackers

Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:12 am

JetBlueAtJFK, thanks for the great flight tracker! I have a new favorite!Love how you can focus on the city/town it is over! Thanks!
 
Dirkou
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RE: Flight Trackers

Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:40 am

Air1727: Thanks a lot!
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:31 am

JetBlue@JFK,

Aeroseek is the free version of FBOweb and uses the same data. If you want to see flight-plan details and track biz and g/a then you'll need to sign up for FBOweb $14.95/month. Don't bother with the $9.95 one as that's shite.

Cheers,

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RE: Flight Trackers

Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:36 am

Lycos used to have a version of flightview.com's tracker built into their website that was very cool but now its gone. It used to be http://flighttracker.lycos.com Now I use the airnav live system and it is pretty good overall. Lots of parameters can be set to filter out flights you want to see etc. You can even sort flights by altitude.
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RE: Flight Trackers

Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:19 am

RobK,

Sorry never caught that it was but I think I'll try out FBOweb tracker.
Thanks!

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FloridaMark
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RE: Flight Trackers

Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:43 pm

Hi Folks,

I have been a user of FBOWeb flight tracker since September of 2001.The $14.95 monthly fee is the best deal around as far as tracking both commercial and biz flights.PLUS you can search past flight plans using the search feature which comes in handy for those questionable flights.The only setback is that if a biz flight has it's route "BLOCKED",you pretty much out of luck.Also I subscribe to Flight Explorer-Personal Edition for $9.95 monthly for 10 hours access.This works ok in a pinch and for the price is not meant to run 24/7...unless you have "deep pockets" and can afford the Professional Edition and can shell out 300 some odd dollars a month for unlimited access.

Just my 2 cents worth!!
 
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RE: Flight Trackers

Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:54 pm

FloridaMark: AirNav Live Flight Tracker costs 64.95 each 6 months (US $10.8 per month) and gives you up to 60 hours per month (not the 10 FE gives you). So in terms of stand-alone applications it is much cheaper than FE.

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