A388
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EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:20 am

Hi,

I saw a lot of photos of aircraft parked at a remote area in EZE (Buenos Aires) before their return flight. My question is: why are these aircraft parked at this remote area, can't they be parked at the gate? Limited gates at EZE maybe? Are these aircraft being handled at the remote area after which the aircraft are towed to the gate for passengers to board? How often does this happen?


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Cubsrule
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RE: EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:34 am

Like at SCL, most if not all American flights (AA, UA at EZE, DL) arrive in the morning and leave the next evening. There's no purpose in them occupying a gate all day, so they often arrive at a stand and bus pax to the terminal and then sit on the stand all day until being towed to the terminal for evening departures.
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RE: EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:16 am

Hi Cubsrule,

I thaught of SCL as well, they have similar arrival/departure times. I had a feeling it had to do something with the early arrival and late departure. Do all these airlines have a reason for arriving early and departing in the evening/night? Does this have to do with connections with other flights once the flight arrives back in the US (or Europe)? Or are these arrival/departure times purely based on the time difference between Argentina and the U.S. (or Europe)? The same would apply for the flights to/from SCL?

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tano
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RE: EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:30 am

As Cubsrule states, that area is called "Chivatos" and serves as buffer for the day standing planes that arrive in the morning and depart in the evening or next day.

Yes, SAEZ is short of gates, and there was a project of building a new terminal according to modern design, now postponed indefinitely.

Consider it´s design basically dates from the 40´s and was indeed ahead of it´s time, when airports were laid out as train stations. The design of two main concourses converging in a main building was then a revolutionary approach.

That layout is basically the same it is now, added jetways and roofing part of the structure to enlarge halls.

The original Ezeiza even had a huge swimming pool and a solarium from which you could enjoy the sight of piston airliners come and depart!

Regards,

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tano
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RE: EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:45 am

A388,

Long haul flights that operate in SAEZ take place generally at night. So they arrive early in the morning and depart in the evening.

To foreign airlines, SAEZ is a terminal scale, not a hub (so is SCEL). We are way far "from the world", that being a blessing or a curse, you decide!

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RE: EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:08 am

Hi A388

These flights inbound EZE, stay long time there:

UA855 ORD-EZE arrives 11:45 B763
UA854 EZE-ORD departs 20:45

AA909 MIA-EZE arrives 07:18 B777
AA908 EZE-MIA departs 22:55

AA943 MIA-EZE arrives 09:51 B777
AA900 EZE-MIA departs 21:45

AA997 DFW-EZE arrives 09:16 B763
AA996 EZE-DFW departs 22:30

DL101 ATL-EZE arrives 08:35 B763
DL100 EZE-ATL departs 22:45

UA flight from IAD and AA flight from JFK, both arriving daily with B763, go on to MVD, and these aircraft stay there for about 6 hours.

Same happens to Copa Airlines flights from/to PTY

CM447 PTY-EZE arrives 20:10 B73G
CM448 EZE-PTY departs 13:00 next day

This huge gap will significantly reduced with the addition of the Copa Airlines second daily flight:

CM447 PTY-EZE arrives 20:10 B73G
CM453 EZE-PTY departs 04:10

CM454 PTY-EZE arrives 04:40
CM448 EZE-PTY departs 13:00

From Europe, story is more or less the same for:

AZ680/682 FCO/MXP-EZE arrives 07:30/07:25 B777-200
AZ681/683 EZE-FCO/MXP departs 14:55

IB6841 MAD-EZE arrives 07:55 A340-600
IB6840 EZE-MAD departs 14:10

It cannot be possible for these aircraft to stay in the terminal for two main reasons:

1) There are not so many gates available, and other aircraft need to use them

2) Airport parking charges are higher in the terminal than in the area around the hangars.

Regards


 
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RE: EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:19 am

Let's take DL 146/147, the ATL-SCL flights as a representative example (the argument is essentially the same at the two airports with the exception of the AA and UA birds that go to MVD during the day)

It's currently scheduled as:
DL 147 Lv ATL 10:10 PM Ar SCL 9:30 AM (9 hours 40 minutes)
DL 146 Lv SCL 10:40 PM Ar ATL 6:15 AM (9 hours 40 minutes also)

If DL were to turn the 763 ASAP, hypothetically taking 2 hours, DL 146 would look something like this:
Lv SCL 11:30 AM Ar ATL 7:15 PM

These flights, with the possible exception of AA's flights ex-MIA and ex-JFK, rely heavily on connections. I'm not sure what the legal connection time in ATL is, but I believe it is 90 minutes, making the earliest one could catch a connecting flight 8:45 PM. This provides very little flexibility in possible connections and may eliminate the possibility of connecting the same day to some markets. Since the plane will have to sit in South America for some length of time, it makes the most sense to leave it all day and schedule another overnight flight which allows for excellent connections in the morning in ATL, DFW, ORD, IAD, MIA, and JFK (and caters to business people who can work a full day in SCL or EZE one day and nearly a full day in the States the next day).
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RE: EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:59 am

Hola A388!!!

Thenks for being interested in our southern Cone.

As posted, most Airlines use to park in side areas of the airport for their daily waiting time. This is made mostly because since SCL/EZE - USA are loong flights, so it's much more comfortable to do it by night.
Europeans carriers here tend not to do it though, so they have "worst" (to say something, after all it isn't that aweful either) schedule, but a much metter use ratio.

Lan for instance tries to avoid such long stops in the far airports: in the case of MIA, they use their 767s just after they arrive from SCL to Ecuador. In the case of Madrid, they use the 340 flying to FRA... so they don't have to pay for a fully parked aircraft not making money..

There are 2 diferences between SCL and EZE about this topic though: SCL almost doubles the number of jetways of EZE, and the parking area is closer to the international terminal, although it changes from time to time mostly due to buildings.

Hope this helps. Regards )(
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RE: EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:16 pm

WOW everything was covered earlier...Cubsrule hit every nail perfectly on the head....

Just wanted to say that the Chivatos area at EZE between 13.00 and 16.00 is loaded with beautiful beaming AA, UA, and DL 763s and one AA 777. On bright sunny days they are an amazingly beautiful sight......

If they were parked at the gate I would miss that sight.


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Cubsrule
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RE: EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:37 pm

Do the 12+ hours of ground time also allow the same crews to operate both flights?
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UairFokker
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RE: EZE Question

Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:24 pm

Well, I take frequently Copa from EZE. At first there is nothing at the gate, after they bring the 737 towed from a remote area.

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