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From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:48 am

Airbus Produced A300B2s & A300B4s before commencing on A300-600 & A300-600Rs.
Why is the numbering system of Airbus so different.
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:05 am

Not a lot different to B.

There was an A300 B1 (protoype/pre-production), and on paper B3 and B5.

Unless someone who was working for A at the time can tell us, adopting -xxx numbering probably imitated B. When the dominant market leader does something, it becomes the defacto industry standard. Lockheed switched from -xx to -xxx as well.

Using numbering higher than was in current use at B perhaps was intended to convey A products were more advanced / superior to B's. Typical marketing dept ploy.
 
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:17 am

An Example like the A360/370 not existing,but the A380 will exist prior.
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:20 am

Mel,

Please note that the correct version name of the A300-600 is indeed A300B4-600/-600R

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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:40 pm

Please note that the correct version name of the A300-600 is indeed A300B4-600/-600R
Exactly the case.What was the A300B1,B2-xxx called.
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:49 pm

There were additional letters too, for instance SAA had A300-B2K. Anyone know what the additional lettering signified?
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:50 pm

Well, I know that TAAs A300s were A300B4-203, back in 1981 I think they were delivered...

They eventually became the Australian Airlines ones, and then Qantas ones before they were retired.

I find Boeing's numbering to be the most logical.

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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:33 pm

There were additional letters too, for instance SAA had A300-B2K. Anyone know what the additional lettering signified?

K stands for Krueger Flaps, a sort of leading edge flap inboard of the slats. As opposed to normal slats, they move upwards from underneath the leading edge of the wing instead of downwards from the top of the leading edge, when extended. Other aircraft using Krueger Flaps or Slats include the 747 (all series) and the A310.
 
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:09 pm

Thanks Tom, does this mean that other versions of the A300 didn't have these flaps?
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:57 pm

Andz - the B1 and B2 did not have it, all B4 series, including the B4-600, have Krueger flaps.
 
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:57 pm

Other aircraft using Krueger Flaps or Slats include the 747 (all series) and the A310.
Dont forget the B737.
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:07 pm

The original idea for the A300 was a larger aircraft, to seat about 300 pax and be powered by two Rolls-Royce RB207 engines. This was dropped in favor of the A300B, which was around 250 in capacity and powered by the CF6-50. At that time, there were many variants proposed, all with a number following the B. The first two airframes completed were A300B1's, the third was modified to the A300B2 standard, with a slight fuselage stretch. The higher-weight version was the B4. Other ideas included the B9, with a much longer fuselage, the B10 with a shorter one, and the B11 with four engines. These ultimately became the A330, the A310, and the A340 respectively. The earliest models had a simple designation, like -1A, -1C, -3A. I have never seen an explanation for what these designated, although it might have been engine variants. As others have stated, the B2K had the inboard Krueger flaps in common with the B4. Airbus later adopted their present nomenclature, with the original B2 becoming the B2-100, the B2K now the B2-200, the original B4 the B4-100, and the heavier B4 the B4-200. In addition the last two digits now designated the engine variant, the first the manufacturer and the second the actual model.
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:20 pm

@Justplanesmart,

good summary of how Airbus was developing derivatives of the A300, however, I remember the A330/A340 not as the A300B9 and A300B11, but as the TA9/TA11 program, with TA standing for Twin Aisle.
 
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:00 am

Is there any Visible differences from the Exterior on all these sub versions.
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Sat Jan 01, 2005 7:29 pm

Tom_eddf-

The TA designation came later, when the commonality with the A300 was clearly going to be limited to the fuselage cross-section. The original A300B9, A300B10 and A300B11 would have had very limited changes from the existing aircraft, mostly just length and, in the case of the B11, the engines. When it was decided to go with a smaller and lighter wing on the B10, it was changed to the A310. When the JET idea for a 150-passenger came under Airbus aegis, it was dubbed the SA, for Single Aisle, leading ultimately to the A320. The ideas for new wide-bodies were then given the TA designation, with the number left over from the earlier B designation. There was even a TA12, which was a long-range twin with capacity similar to the A300 and 767-300.
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Sat Jan 01, 2005 11:00 pm

Hawk if I'm right the A300-600 had wingtip fences a la 320, not sure about other variants
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Sat Jan 01, 2005 11:33 pm

Hawk if I'm right the A300-600 had wingtip fences a la 320, not sure about other variants

Yes, that is correct--A300s prior to the -600/-600R series did not have wingtip fences.

Even on the -600/-600R, however, they are slightly different from the wingtip fences seen on the A310-300 (and a very few -200s) and A320 family. A picture is worth a thousand words--as you can see, the A300's have a sort of lower profile and are less "pointy."

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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Sat Jan 01, 2005 11:44 pm

On the wingtip fences, it must be noted that they were not present on the initial A300-600s. Saudia's -600s don't have them (they were the launch customer), and neither did the two initally delivered to Kuwait Airways (which were destroyed during Gulf War 1). The first one to have the fences was the first -600 for Thai Airways.


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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:23 am

All Airbus A300 versions:

A300B1-100
A300B2-100
A300B2-200 (A300B2K)
A300B2-300
A300B4-100
A300B4-200
A300B4-600
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:27 am

I think the captions might be mistaken.

I believe only the -600R has wingtip fences, not the -600. And I don't believe that's an A310-200. It looks like an A310-300 to me.

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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:51 am

I believe only the -600R has wingtip fences, not the -600.

Incorrect. All, except for the first 16 A300-600s (11 for Saudia, 2 for Kuwait Airways, 1 for Kuwait government and 2 for UAE government) have the fences. Illustration: look at LH's A300s: most of them are standard -600s (only 4 are -600R) yet they all have the fences.

And I don't believe that's an A310-200.

It's a -200. A limited number of -200 have wingtip fences.
 
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:52 am

Well, I was completely wrong.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:52 am

that A310 is an ex-Cyprus Airways bird, one of their three -200s that were fitted with those wingtip fences.
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:46 pm

DeltaWings,

There is also a A300B2(4)-200FF, FF stands for Forward Facing (Crew). Not many were build, though.

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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:35 am

On the wingtip fences, it must be noted that they were not present on the initial A300-600s. Saudia's -600s don't have them (they were the launch customer), and neither did the two initally delivered to Kuwait Airways (which were destroyed during Gulf War 1). The first one to have the fences was the first -600 for Thai Airways.

Interesting--I was not aware of this. I knew Thai's -600s had them, since I have flown on one, but I guess I hadn't seen any of the others.

A limited number of -200 have wingtip fences.

Yes, in addition to the ex-Cyprus aircraft, Hapag Lloyd and Thai also took delivery of winglet-equipped -200s. Of the latter, one aircraft crashed at Surat Thani (as a side note, Thai had terrible luck with their small fleet of A310s, as they also lost a -300 at Kathmandu).

There is also a A300B2(4)-200FF, stands for Forward Facing (Crew). Not many were build, though.

These were the first widebody aircraft equipped with 2-crew cockpits, and in that sense were a precursor to the -600, which featured the new 2-crew cockpit as standard. Some were delivered to Garuda and a couple to Finnair (the latter were leased to Air Scandic until recently).

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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:04 am

More Airbus version number info (and shameless plug): http://www.rosboch.net/aviation.htm#AirbusVersions
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:17 am

Starlionblue, did you put that all together yourself? Great site! I had seen various sites with the Boeing customer codes, etc., but I hadn't found such a thorough listing of the various Airbus designations, nor had I seen so much useful aviation-related info in one place. It's going straight into my bookmark folder. Keep up the good work!  Big thumbs up
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RE: From A300-B2/B4 To A300-600/600R Numbering

Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:35 am

FoxBravo: Thx for that! Nice to hear the work is appreciated.

Yes I did put it all together myself. The info comes from various sources. Some is from A.net posts. Some is from books. Some is from other internet sources. I put it together because I got frustrated with having to dig for info I wanted to look up often and I hadn't found an equivalent site.

I am going to add a bit of stuff this week, probably listing ILS categories.

You can also get to it with http://aviation.rosboch.net. Faster to write that http://www.rosboch.net/aviation  Big grin

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