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Ferry Flights For Props

Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:05 am

How do aircraft such as ATRs, Saabs and Jetstreams make their way across the Atlantic or Pacific to reach their customer airlines?

For example - routing on Saab from Sweden to the US or Beech 1900 from KS (I think this is where they assemble them) to New Zealand?

Do they get crated or flown?

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RE: Ferry Flights For Props

Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:24 am

ferry tanks and stopping in iceland I think
 
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RE: Ferry Flights For Props

Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:27 am

My guess would be that they do stops along the way around the north circle route...
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RE: Ferry Flights For Props

Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:48 am

Yes, a prop from say, Sweden to the US would stop at Keflavik (or maybe Reykjavik but Keflavik is favoured for the handling agents I understand), then perhaps Sonderstromfjord in Greenland, then probably Goose Bay or Iqaluit (Frobisher Bay) then if they're going to the southern end of the US, probably down to Gander/St.John's or Bangor.

Lighter aircraft deliveries like single engine Cessna's and Piper's often route directly across the Atlantic as they take advantage of the tail-winds from the gulfstream. A typical single engine delivery for northern Europe would route St.John's (possibly Gander) to Shannon in Ireland and onwards from there and deliveries to southern Europe/Africa would route St.John's to Santa Maria in the Azores.

I'm not too familiar with the Pacific stop-off's I'm afraid.

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RE: Ferry Flights For Props

Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:52 am

Without pax or cargo, combined with max fuel load, the range increases quite a bit. Typically this is enough for the Atlantic. And if you want to go North America->Far East you can just hop the long way around.
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RE: Ferry Flights For Props

Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:28 am

Saab delivery flights to the US did not need ferry tanks as they where never far from land. I don't recall the exact routing, but it was something like 3 or 4 stops. I'll ask my friend from Saab-USA that has done the trip personally. As far as headed west. Within the last 2 years we delivered 10 Saab's to REX of Australia from here in the US. The planes where 'tanked' here in BNA then they would fly to LGB-HNL-GUM-Fiji then on into Austrailia. On one return flight the crew told me they could have gone non stop from HNL to BNA, but had to land for rest. They never fueled up after leaving HNL all the way to BNA.
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RE: Ferry Flights For Props

Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:12 am

Stupid, but related question: Who pays for the ferry flights/who does the ferrying?

I know in the end the customer pays for it, but is it wrapped into the price paid or is it a seperate cost? (In other words, does say Saab park it at the end of their ramp and say "Here, deal with it" or does Saab take care of getting it to the customer's location? Or something in between)

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RE: Ferry Flights For Props

Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:18 am

Just yesterday an EMB-120 was ferried from California to Honolulu. Aircraft was installed with aux tanks. Flight time was about 10hours!

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RE: Ferry Flights For Props

Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:37 am

Stupid, but related question: Who pays for the ferry flights/who does the ferrying?

Payment for ferry flights depends on the deal worked out between the buyer and selller. There are companys that specialize in ferrying aircraft, one of the larger ones I know of is Southern Cross.

http://www.southernx.com/

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RE: Ferry Flights For Props

Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:31 am

I had an acquaintance who flew Dash-8 ferry flights for de Havilland (now Bombardier) to Europe, Asia, Africa and South America. They used ferry tanks where needed, but typically not to Europe.

The most interesting aspect of these flights was paying for fuel and fees. Many places would not accept credit cards, so my buddy had to stash wads of US dollars in various locations in the aircraft to prevent theft. I don't recall whether the buyer's pilots were on board these flights, or maybe their contract was to deliver the aircraft to the customer's home base.

Typically, in the case of a large jet aircraft, the customer takes delivery at the factory and flies it home, often as their first revenue flight. I saw one such aircraft a couple of weeks ago in Everett - it was an Malaysian (I think)767 or 777 - I was told that it will fly to LAX and carry a load of freight to Malaysia.

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