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Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 2:36 am

Just read about this:

Gale force gusts at Dublin Airport today caused 2 Aer Lingus Airbus A330 parked besides one another to collide at 1255. The aircraft were awaiting departure for Boston and New York.

Not very up to speed on their fleet but I think they don't have very many A330's to begin with and if so, this would put a serious crimp in their schedule if these two aircraft are out of service for any length of time.

 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 2:49 am

how do they collide? if they are parked? aren't they choked?

im a bit confused, just looking for some clarification
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 2:51 am

One of them might have been moving on the apron and if the apron was wet then the winds might have blown it.
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 3:15 am

The A330s were probley parked close to one annother...

Does anyone know the cost of the damage and how long it will take to fix?
Aer Lingus have 4 Airbus A330-300 and 3 Airbus A330-200, When you have 7 aircraft and 2 are out of service for a while, that is trouble...

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 3:19 am

They might have to lease a BD a332 if BD have a spare. Saying that though that would leave them without a cover a/c. Maybe aer lingus will lease a 767 or 747 if they need to. Thats on acmi though.
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 3:23 am

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 3:25 am

I am lost now in how they collided?
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 3:28 am

I know what you mean, it is a bit strange. Unless it was just the wings that touched?
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 3:34 am

The nose of one rolled into the area just behind the wing of the other (according to latest reports). Looks like it was EI133 DUB-SNN-BOS and EI107 DUB-JFK, both seem to have been cancelled. No word yet on how long they'll be out of service, or how they came to collide. (Somebody not setting the parking brake correctly, or a lock of chocks?)
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 3:44 am

last year straight line winds at RSW moved chocked commercial aircraft...believe it was an AA aircraft with nose in the air in the pix shot by airport security that night. get enough air speed over any airfoil and you get lift....
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 4:10 am

Although I posted a thread on this earlier it seems there was a Tornado touch-down around the Dublin area at the same time the gust-front moved through, the Tornado overturned cars and entire roofs have been blown off some houses.
I think gusts of 80mph were reported too, so I wouldnt be too surprised to hear it was either related from a Tornado or straight-line gusts.
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 4:15 am

BMED,

bmi do not have a spare A330. All 3 are in service on the IAD/ORD/LAS/BGI/UVF/ANU routes.

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:06 am

Hope they won't have to lease one, but they might have to look to Air Atlanta if they do.
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:37 am

A few photos of the aircraft here

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:40 am

Just got this email from a fellow I presume works on them.

When the 330's are parked at the gates after coming in from a flight, upon landing the brakes are very hot so when docked at the gates, the are parked with Brakes Off and wheels chocked instead. On the later -200 models a cooling fan is used to cool brakes but its not on the -300's which were in this incident. I know this because i work on them. Fingers crossed it wasnt EI-CRK which was involved because it would have been less than 24 hours after being released from the Hangars after a heavy C-Check!!

It appears EI-CRK is one of them.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:50 am

After looking at the pictures, i don't think that much damaged and aircrafts will be in no time back in the air.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:51 am

hey,

in the photos on planepictures.net it seems that there is not too much damage on the nose or wing of the A330s.

Luckily the A330 has a low cockpit. If it was a B777-200 and a A330 the 777 would have a nasty gash on top of the cockpit.
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 10:46 am

The two A330's were parked side by side at stand 34 and 35 at dublin airport. The wind caught the side of one of the A330's and literally pushed it to collide with the other side on. Passengers on the New York flight are to travel tomorrow on an additional service, while boston pax will be rebooked on the scheduled ei133 from dublin, and second service from shannon. A mini tornado hit a suburb of dublin near to dublin airport turning over cars and vans and causing servere damage to over 100 homes. It all came out of no where and was very unexpected.
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:01 pm

Yeah, looking at the pics i rekon they will be back in service within a day. The paint might just be scratched.

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:01 pm

Having a 332 out of service will certainly impact DUB-LAX, since EI 330's cannot fly that route (at least not without some MAJOR payload restrictions).

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:16 pm

Sure all she needs is a bit of Crisco and some shimming.....

I would say more than a day. The a/c might look ok but its not everyday a 330 decides to hide under the wing of another 330. The surfaces of that wing will probably have to be removed and inspected if not replaced....

Does anyone know how much space (ft.) the wings of the 330 can flex? In relation to that number how high is the cockpit compared to the tip of the wing...

Thanks again.

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 02, 2005 11:29 pm

This is a real pain just after the christmas period with many Irish and Americans heading home after the holidays. Whats even worse is that EI-DAA is the favoured A332 for the LAX service since it has them precious PTV's!! :-(

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Mon Jan 03, 2005 12:37 am

Removing the skin of the wing? Do you have an idea what an operation this will be? No, they´ll probably visually check the are, maybe remove the slat for inspection and send a tank diver into the wing to have a look at the ribs and interior structure. Then the area (inside and outside) will be NDTd, usually be doing an eddy current inspection. The same will apply to the cockpit roof of the other A330.

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:55 am

No, only one EI A330 200 has PTV's in economy class.

A considerable number of passengers are overnighting in Dublin and EI are not even certain that they can hire in aircraft and crews to run some services tomorrow. Not an ideal time of year to find crews.


That little storm was very vicious. Considerable damage to some houses and cars in an area not too far from the airport.

I live a long way from the airport but the rain and wind was tropical in intensity, tres bent over with rain levels just astonishing, even for Ireland, and being blown straight out of the gutters.
It came and went very suddenly too.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:42 am

On New Year's Eve, I was spotting at Dublin, around the back where old runway 23 used to be. I had to get my dad to stop for 10 mins as I saw one of the 330s. It was EI-CRK ('St. Brigid') and it was at the maintanance hangar. After about 5 minutes, it began to move and it taxied down runway 16 and went back to the parking. I think that was being maintained for damage from aforemention storm event. Pity I didn't see EI-DAA...It must have been already repaired. On a lighter note, I saw a ryanair with some new titles 'Dites non a la surcharge Kerosene d'Air France'. Wonder what that's about...

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:24 am

MD11,

Sorry about that. I should have said that they were going to remove the affected surfaces and test them. And seeing how your professional background is more reliable than mine I'll take your word for it.

Take care MD11!

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:48 pm

From RTE Irish television today a report of the ongoing saga
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03 January 2005 09:37
Aer Lingus has cancelled another transatlantic flight today because of the damage caused to two of its planes during a Saturday's freak squall.

Today's EI 125 flight to Chicago is the seventh Aer Lingus flight to be cancelled since the incident.

The airline has said that it is doing all it can to hire in aircraft since two of its planes were left unserviceable in the storm. However, the airline says it is experiencing great difficulties due to the holiday season.

Hundreds of passengers have now been affected by the delays.

Aer Lingus says passengers who were due to travel on today's cancelled flight to Chicago will be accommodated on flights on Tuesday.

The backlog of discommoded passengers from two flights leaving Dublin and Shannon yesterday and on Saturday, 600 in total, are due to fly out today.

However, some passengers booked on transatlantic flights over the weekend now have to wait until Friday for the next available flight.

The State airline has apologised to its passengers and says its doing everything it can to accommodate those affected by the cancellations.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:29 pm

Aer Lingus announced this morning that they have now a leased B747 in EINN and hope for it to be ready tomorrow, this will help to ease the backlog.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:53 pm

note the door on the plane on the right is damaged probably from the jetway its bent back
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:52 am

So which 747 is this?

Could the MCO service get a different aircraft other than their A332s this week?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:58 am

The Incident doesnt look that bad. Definitley some damage to the plane but fortunately no pax were harmed!  Smile
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:03 am

World operated an MD-11 DUB/JFK on the 2nd and another MD-11 JFK/SNN/DUB last night. The first a/c was positioning back to the states from KWI and the second was ferrying to TPE for an extended C check. We just operated it via SNN and DUB and then back up over the pole to TPE.

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:55 am

This incident highlights Aer Lingus operating a fairly intense schedule to the US from Ireland using it's seven A330's. One of the planes involved in the incident EI-CRK was delivered to Aer Lingus on November 7,1994 and is the second oldest 330 in the fleet. As mentioned above EI- CRK had just completed a C- check. Only EI-DUB which was delivered on May 11, 1994 is older.
As I fly these aircraft several times a year I was wondering what kind of utilization Aer Lingus was achieving with it's 330 fleet. Just how many hours are these aircraft racking up? It comes as no surprise that they are looking to renew the trans Atlantic fleet. I can only hope that they decide to go with the 7E7.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:41 am

News from Ireland this morning is that service has returned to normal. Does anyone know the status of the two damaged 330's EI-CRK and EI-DAA? Are they back in service or is Aer Lingus relying on leased aircraft and if so whose aircraft did they lease?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:58 pm

Ed, sounds like fun to be able to squeeze a profitable couple of flights into the middle of non-revenue (ferry) or marginal-revenue (first leg after AMC contract run) flights!

Speaking of Ireland without saying too much, it looks like you guys are liking that other Irish airport instead of that German airport these days. Any particular reason for that? Seems like we just had some discussion on the board over the advantages of the one over the other -- has something changed?

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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:33 am

A 747-200 has been used for several JFK-SNN flights. Anyone know the reg? Is it Air Atlanta Icelandic? Also, what about the status of the damaged A330s?


[Edited 2005-01-10 04:05:16]
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:27 pm

From the pics,It doesn't look like Major work.
How did the Aircraft move.How many chocks were used.Was there any NOTAM on the Tornado.
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:11 pm

EI-DAA now back in service.

747 was Air Plus Comet. Martinair and Condor 763 were also used and I believe a MyTravel 332 and Air Plus Comet A310
 
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RE: Aer Lingus A330 Ground Incident

Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:57 am

The -300 that was damaged was out of the hangar today. Don't know if it's ready to go back in to service yet though.

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