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Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:10 am


Hi all,

Can anyone tell me why some airlines have ash tray's in the a/c lav. I find this strange as airlines do not allow smoking in the lav, most now don't allow it onboard at all. Could there be some airlines out there that allow smoking in the lav.

I think I have seen the ash tray on Virgin's b747-400. I did see it in Oct 2004 on Singapore's A345. Both airlines do not allow smoking yet they had the ash trays.

Maybe I can understand it on the older B747-400, when rules may have been less stringent but why does Airbus bother adding it to the new A345.

Any ideas.

Regrds
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EMBQA
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RE: Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:13 am

They are still required by the FAR's and the AD. The logic being if someone lights up by accident, they have a safe place to put the butt.
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STLUAL747
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RE: Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:18 am

The reason there are ash trays on the older aircraft is because there wasn't always the law that ban smoking on aircraft, but you are right it doesn't make sense that there would be ash trays on newer aircraft. Is that law banning smoking just in the U.S. or is that throughout the world? This could be why airbus still puts ash trays in the lavs because it is legal in other countries.

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Shamrock_747
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RE: Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:29 am

I'd have thought it is a safety issue. If someone were foolish enough to tamper with a smoke detector and light up a cigarette in the lavatory, disposing of it into the waste bin (rather than an ashtray) could ignite paper towels and cause a fire.

There is no worldwide ban of smoking on aircraft. There are still a few airlines which allow smoking though I can't name any off the top of my head.
 
Spike
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RE: Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Sun Jan 02, 2005 10:01 am

I thought they were for Americans to put their gum in.
 
skidmarks
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RE: Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:11 pm

It is a legal requirement for ash-trays to be fitted in the toilet, both with the CAA and the FAA I believe.
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leelaw
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RE: Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:14 pm

Convenience of the flight attendants?
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geoffm
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RE: Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Mon Jan 03, 2005 1:04 am

Post coital perhaps?  Wink/being sarcastic

I guess some of the older planes are hangovers from the days that that particular airline allowed smoking. But what EMBQA says, and what others have repeated, about requiring a tray in case somebody should light up sounds plausible.

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mtnmanmakalu
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RE: Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Mon Jan 03, 2005 1:43 am

I thought they were for Americans to put their gum in.

Or for the British to spit out their food into !!! LOL

(I was married to a British lady for many years!!!)
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EMBQA
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RE: Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:03 am

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/6A1D491DCDC47B1B86256A3300697D39?OpenDocument&Highlight=smoke

Here is the link to the US AD74-08-09R2 that requires ashtrays to be installed in lavatory units.
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EZEIZA
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RE: Ash Tray In The Aircraft Lav

Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:36 am

Some older aircraft of major Airlines still had a "smoking section" sign in the middle of the aircraft! I saw this on AF (MIA-CDG) a couple of years ago. Have these signs been removed?
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