spantax
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Only Hand Baggage

Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:38 pm

Hello. I was wondering: What if the idea of Ryanair of banning all checked baggage and allowing only hand-baggage was to become radically real? Should planes be converted structurally in order to let the passengers to put by themselves their own baggage in the hold (as it is the case on trains) by adding, for instance, an internal stair?. Could then a portion of the hold be used for other purposes (galley, toilet, etc)? Would this mean cheaper fares as you could avoid ramp agents, increase the number of flights per day, increase MTOW and so on?

("In another move, Ryanair says it plans to ban heavy luggage on its flights. It will persuade passengers to travel light by taking only hand baggage. This will be "encouraged" through a system of penalties. Michael O'Leary, Ryanair's chief executive, told The Times newspaper that over the next three years luggage allowances would be tightened to persuade fliers to pack more carefully. The airline has already reduced the allowance for checked in baggage from 20kg to 15kg and more than doubled its charges for excess. Within 18 months, it plans to impose charges for baggage stowed in the aircraft hold. As an incentive, passengers who take only hand luggage could receive a refund on the cost of their ticket". CNN.com, Sunday, July 25, 2004)
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gilesdavies
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:50 pm

This is already reality...

At Girona and LGW a few weeks ago there baggage handler strikes at both airports and instead of cancelling the flights like many operators, FR chose to operate the flights with hand luggage only.

They didn't give passengers the option of rebooking onto another flight and just put on their website that these flights would be operating normally with just hand baggage. If passengers turned up at the airport with luggage over and above the 10kg limit it would be down to them to ensure their luggage got to the destination at their own expense.


 
KateAA
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:37 am

Yet another reason into why you dont fly RyanAir.

Kate
 
ckfred
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:25 am

If RyanAir really wants to eliminate checked baggage, then will they seek to increase their cargo business? The reason that more U.S. carriers haven't gone into bankruptcy is that they carry so much cargo, including mail, flowers, fresh fish, etc.

Flying cargo is very lucrative, but it also involves a lot of expenses, including cargo facilities, infrastructure to track cargo, etc.
 
aa777jr
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:34 am

I wish all majors in the US would ban carry-on luggage, its such a pain in the bum, even sitting in F class, waiting for people to store, move, retrieve, etc their damn luggage from overheads.

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aloges
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:41 am

"I wish all majors in the US would ban carry-on luggage, its such a pain in the bum, even sitting in F class, waiting for people to store, move, retrieve, etc their damn luggage from overheads."

Really? A dozen people demanding access to their baggage in the hold because they "forgot this thing I can't be without" sure would make things a lot smoother.  Big grin
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Sabena332
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:00 am

I wish all majors in the US would ban carry-on luggage, its such a pain in the bum, even sitting in F class, waiting for people to store, move, retrieve, etc their damn luggage from overheads.

Are you kidding? I always try to travel with carry-on luggage only because I hate it to wait at the baggage claim and I can be sure that my luggage don't get lost.

I have the same carry-on trolley like in the picture below:



It is perfect for short trips and I need around 5 seconds to place it together with my jacket in the overhead bin.

I agree however that some people need endless time to place their stuff in the overhead bins, this can be annyoing sometimes.

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KateAA
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:00 am

Banning carry on, now that's an idea, maybe it will catch on!?

I think that we need to reduce the size of carrys though, sometimes they are so heavy the pax can hardly light them high enough to fit into the lockers.

Quite often if they cant fit them into the over head lockers will either wonder up and down the cabin looking for space or even take other peoples luggage out of the locker to fit there's in! This happens quite often.

Passengers seem to be afraid that if they give their carry on to the crew member will put it in the hold and they will never see it again (which ok, that sometimes happens but not that often!).

Banning carry ons, please!!! But it wont happen!

Kate
 
prebennorholm
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:02 am

AA777jr: I wish all majors in the US would ban carry-on luggage....

Dear AA, carry-on will be reduced dramatically the day airlines begin the end of smashing our checked baggage and begin the end of misdirecting it.

When some day that becomes reality, then the airlines will also get a lot of more customers who won't bother to make day long trips on the train or their car only to save the baggage. It may even save them from going bust.

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We live in a fantastic world.
In just two hours we can be in London.
After eight more hours we can be in New York.
And in twenty hours our baggage can be in Tokyo.

After Wilbur Wright's famous flight in 1903 his baggage could not be located. The airlines still haven't recovered from that incident.
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Xkorpyoh
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:18 am

on the contrary....airlines, specially in the UK, should relax their carry-on rules. In the US you get your roller bag (the ones approved for carry on by airlines) on any flight without a problem. In the UK/Europe/Asia, they always give you such a hard time with the size and weight. My bag is just the same size as the one used by FA and I never over pack, but in London, you have to check it in. I had an argument with a BMI agent at the London Express PAddington station counter who forced me to check the bag. I told her that because I was not at the airport i dindt trust their transfer system from the station to the airport to the plane and that she could give the tag and put it in the bag and that i was going to give to an agent at the counter at Heathrow. Once at the airport, i pulled the tag, I took my bag through security and into the plane with not problems. It fit perfectly in the overhead with room to spare and nobody even paid attention...because it was not oversized!

at HKG, the airport, not the airlines, is the one enforcing the carry-on rules. I wonder why? ..they had their militia, a group of 3 or 4, by each security area just looking at carry-on bags. They turn you around to check in your bag if they consider it too big. Waste of time and resources!

-So why are they so strict in Europe and Asia with those carry-ons?

I used to work in baggage services for an airline and i know what a nightmare it is from both sides, the airline and the pax.

My logic is that the Uk/european airlines would save a lot of man power, money and headaches if they allow more carry-ons, at the size and weight allowed inthe US, on all those flights. What is the reasoning of 5KG carry on? I am against oversized bags that dont fit in the overhead compartment, but most roller bags fit perfectly. When I flew ryannair and bmibaby, i had to check it in. I had to put all my valuables in my cargo pants pockets..that is ridiculous.
Continental, on the other hand, expanded the overhead compartments long time ago to better accomodate their paxs..that is the way to go.

 
geoffm
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:25 am

Xkorpyoh, next time somebody "accidently" drops a 10kg bag on your head while trying to squash it into an already overcrowded overhead locker, then you'll realise why it's good some airlines have a lower limit - for health and safety reasons if nothing else.

Here's a short list:
CO, BA, AA - 18kg
CX - 15kg (10kg biz, 7kg economy)
BMI - 12kg max per piece, 23kg max total (12kg/16kg for economy)
VS - 8kg per piece, 16kg max total (6kg/6kg for economy)
AF - 12kg
EK - 12kg (7kg economy)
KL - 10kg
LH - 8kg
QF - 7kg

(all from the relevant airline's website)

Geoff M.
Edited to add CX and EK

[Edited 2005-01-03 22:30:49]
 
AEROFAN
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RE: Only Hand Baggage

Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:27 am

I don't think banning carry on is the best solution. A better solution would be enforcing the one carryon perperson and size and weight restriction regulations. I'm always amazed then pissed at pax who carryon 2 and 3 pieces leaving no room for someone who plays by the rules. Then putting their crap over your head.





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