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Long-Haul A/C Subs... What About The Crews?

Wed Jan 05, 2005 5:53 pm

How do the airlines handle having the appropriate flight crew at "the other end" (to take the plane back home) when there is a substitution. For example, when KE subs a 747-400 from SEL to ATL, rather than the regularly scheduled 777, where do they get the crew in ATL to bring it back that day?
 
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RE: Long-Haul A/C Subs... What About The Crews?

Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:02 pm

Most likly be performed as a ferry flight with the same crew.
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RE: Long-Haul A/C Subs... What About The Crews?

Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:28 pm

If the change is planned and anticipated, I think that some airlines will send crew over a day or so before. In your case a 744 crew may head over on a 777 flight as PAX and have a layover in ATL. They will then take the 744 home while the incoming crew may have a layover and jump on the next 777 flight home.

Another option is if pilots fly more than one type for an airline (in this case the 744 and 777)
 
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RE: Long-Haul A/C Subs... What About The Crews?

Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:33 pm

I asked my contact at SAA flight ops and there are two main options:

Example: Usual a/c is a 744, but they send a 346

1: Send another crew as pax with the replacement aircraft if there is not already a crew rated on the type at the destination.

2: Transfer a crew from the closest alternate destination who are type rated to operate the return flight. This just shortens a crew's layover by one day.



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RE: Long-Haul A/C Subs... What About The Crews?

Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:18 pm

Thanks all.

I would imagine the crews would be pretty tired, even if they flew in 1st or Biz (of course, SAA would have lie-flats, so OK).

If they had to do 12+ hours in economy or a jump seat, I don't know if I'd want them doing my landing on the return leg without rest.
 
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RE: Long-Haul A/C Subs... What About The Crews?

Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:31 am

There is no ferry flight in this situation, quite simply the B744 crew "deadhead" to ATL one or two days before on the B777 (1st/Biz class of course), then have their required rest time and are ready to fly the departure flight when the first B744 aircraft arrives. Simple!
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RE: Long-Haul A/C Subs... What About The Crews?

Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:55 am

Certainly with UK airlines, the positioning is counted as duty time, so the crew would have to have a rest period after deadheading. Very crude rule of thumb is 12 hours rest (can be reduced to 11) or the length of the previous duty, which ever is longer. Also there are additional rest requirements if there are significant time differences between the crew's home base and destination.
 
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RE: Long-Haul A/C Subs... What About The Crews?

Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:44 pm

"Another option is if pilots fly more than one type for an airline (in this case the 744 and 777)"


Are pilots allowed to just switch between the 744 and 777 that easily. I thought there was a certain number of days of cross-over training to get rated on the new type.

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