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ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:23 am

ATA To Drop 9 Cities, Reduce 2 in FEB

Out of MDW...

CLT 1/3/05
PIT 2/4/05
PHL 2/4/05
MIA 2/4/05
FLL 2/4/05
LAX 2/4/05
MCO 2/4/05
SEA 2/4/05
PHX 2/4/05

Reduce Service
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:34 am

It looks like ATA is dropping overlapping routes with WN out of MDW. 7 of 9 dropped cities are routes already covered out of MDW with WN - the exception is MIA and PIT. MIA is not a WN city but WN will most likely serve the PIT - MDW route when PIT is up and running

I wonder if ATA will boost frequencies on routes not covered by WN such as MSP, EWR, BOS, DEN, DFW, etc??
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:39 am

ATA will have 44 daily flights from MDW once this is all done...down from the current 70. Chicago Express will go down to 16 daily flights from MDW...down from the current 60.

 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:41 am

I was in MIA this past week and the sign at the ATA counter in Terminal H says they will cease service 1/9/2005. Which is correct? 2/4 or 1/9?
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:01 am

With ATA almost gone in FLL who will take over their gate? and counter space? Usair or Airtan to add a few more flights?
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:02 am

I wonder if ATA will boost frequencies on routes not covered by WN such as MSP, EWR, BOS, DEN, DFW, etc??

ATA will return a respectable number of 738 back to lessors, so I assume they will not be boosting capacity on other routes.

MIA is not a WN city but WN will most likely serve the PIT - MDW route when PIT is up and running

MIA and FLL are not even 20 miles apart, so I suppose it isn't that suprising. I don't believe MIA was even that large of a presence for ATA?
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:17 am

if ATA is dropping LAX, SEA how is WN going to do a code share to Hawaii?? WN doesn't fly to SFO. I have also wondered if DFW was going to get increase service, maybe a 757 we haven't had those in for a while.

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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:31 am

ATA isn't dropping all these cities. They are dropping the MDW-flights. The Hawaii-services will remain and they will codeshare with WN and get WN feed.
Some of these cities will also be served from IND.
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:20 am

I think IND might see a slight increase in flights. That will keep ATA Number 1 in IND I guess. This sucks,what could be their business plan.
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:28 am

ATA767-

IMO....ATA's business plan is to turn all scheduled flight over to SWA. This will take place over the next 2-3 years.

Opnlguy-

Where did you get your info on the cuts? Not doubting it just wondering where you get the info, because I can never seem to find any press releases about their service.

Also, when do you think WN will announce the code share plans.
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:31 am

You notice DFW isnt getting cut.....humm, an immediate fix to the Wright Ad. without taking on AA directly?

Oh and how about that, neither is DEN...looks like two more markets for WN
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:35 am

ok, about hawaii, i don't think any of you guys get this codeshare, or maybe its me. But if i recall the codeshares will only be out of MDW, meaning that if you switch to TZ on a WN ticket, it will only be in MDW, and TZ doesn't have a MDW-HNL or anyother hawaii city flight. so hawaii is out of bounds, untill WN/TZ announce their next Codeshare city, which as mentioned in many articles could be LAX, LAS, PHX, SEA, etc, now from these cities when they announce the codeshare we can talk hawaii. Until then this is NOT a system wide codeshare, so as much as I hate to admit it, no hawaii this time around.

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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:39 am

That still leaves 22 Destinations served out of MDW (not all daily). This sucks!
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:56 am

Also, when do you think WN will announce the code share plans.

End of January... given that WN likes to make press releases on Thuresdays for some reason, I'd say either 1/21 or 1/28
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:00 pm

ok, about hawaii, i don't think any of you guys get this codeshare, or maybe its me. But if i recall the codeshares will only be out of MDW, meaning that if you switch to TZ on a WN ticket, it will only be in MDW, and TZ doesn't have a MDW-HNL or anyother hawaii city flight. so hawaii is out of bounds, untill WN/TZ announce their next Codeshare city, which as mentioned in many articles could be LAX, LAS, PHX, SEA, etc, now from these cities when they announce the codeshare we can talk hawaii. Until then this is NOT a system wide codeshare, so as much as I hate to admit it, no hawaii this time around.


That's correct. In the press releases and internal memos discussing the WN/TZ codeshare...SWA has said that the code share will intially apply to nine(9) destinations out of MDW with the possibility of future expansion to other TZ/WN cities such as PHX, LAX, and SEA.

Notice in the excerpt below how the reporter theorizes that SWA could offer service to Hawaii via the ATA codeshare. You'll notice that the article also mentions LGA and DCA which are actually much more likely to be first on the codeshare list although you'll notice there aren't any "SWA to LGA!!" threads going on...I guess SWA service(via codeshare) to New York and Washington DC proper are not quite as sexy as the idea of SWA selling seats to Waikiki Beach. We have a good time here at A.net but sometimes you gotta dig through a big ol pile of speculation to get to the facts.

"The Dallas-based airline is acquiring leases on gates and a maintenance hangar from ATA Airlines as part of ATA's bankruptcy in addition to the code-sharing, which will give it access to flights to Hawaii, New York's LaGuardia Airport and Washington's Reagan National Airport, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday. ATA, which has larger planes than Southwest's Boeing 737s, flies nonstop to Honolulu and Maui."

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2005/01/03/daily22.html
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:56 pm

UA would love to see TZ drop MDW-CUN so they could pick up Chicago - Cancun rights. AA has 3x daily 757s during peak season and UA would prefer this over the weekly flights to CZM.
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:09 pm

WNsocal-

The ATA business plan is NOT to turn over any parts of their operations to WN. It has been repeated several times by the ups at Southwest that it is in Southwests best interests that ATA remains an airline entity in itself (an independentally owned and operated airline). The ATA business plan is obviously to downsize their scheduled service portion of the airline, and getting back to the military and travel charter end of the business. They will still operate heavily out of IND, well as maintaining a presence at MDW. Southwests part in this was to inject some much needed cash into ATA to keep it from being gobbled up by AirTran, a much more fierce competitor than ATA will be for a long time.
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:21 pm

It has been repeated several times by the ups at Southwest that it is in Southwests best interests that ATA remains an airline entity in itself (an independentally owned and operated airline)

ATA will remain independenly opperated, but WN has purchased a significant share of non-voting ATA stock. They aren't exactly independently owned any more...
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:56 pm

>>>Opnlguy-

>>>Where did you get your info on the cuts? Not doubting it just wondering where you get the info, because I can never seem to find any press releases about their service.

Some of it comes from:

http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=t&type=r&board=7080754&sid=7080754
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SRQ

Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:53 pm

Woo Hoo! SRQ dodges the MDW bullet once again, first AirTran and now ATA. I would have never thought it possible. I wonder how AirTran and ATA will compete on the MDW-SRQ run. I imagine ATA will match the fares. Fun times are ahead  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:59 pm

If you are booked on a TZ flight like MDW-PHX after the cut date, do you automatically get put onto WN? Does anyone have any info. My cousin will be visiting me in Arizona from Chicago in March and is booked on TZ so I was just wondering if she is going to have to book new tickets.
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:41 pm

<<
The ATA business plan is NOT to turn over any parts of their operations to WN. It has been repeated several times by the ups at Southwest that it is in Southwests best interests that ATA remains an airline entity in itself (an independentally owned and operated airline). The ATA business plan is obviously to downsize their scheduled service portion of the airline, and getting back to the military and travel charter end of the business. They will still operate heavily out of IND, well as maintaining a presence at MDW. Southwests part in this was to inject some much needed cash into ATA to keep it from being gobbled up by AirTran, a much more fierce competitor than ATA will be for a long time. >>>

You are correct the higher ups did say that, but if you believe it then you may want to take a good look at what is going on currently.
1. ATA is discontinuing service on overlapping markets, not WN.
2. WN will own 27.5% of the "new" ATA.
3. WN has a voice in who is selected in key ATA positions.
4. WN is already interviewing ATA folks for WN positions.
5. WN will handle ground services where it makes sense
(my guess is MDW, LAX, PHX, LAS, SEA, MCO)


IMO Southwest made a great move and smart positioning in this deal. If ATA goes on and is profitable WN can slowly take over ATA route and then code-share on that route. If ATA does not succeed then with WN's 27.5% stake they have the right to get their money back. How do they do this? They take the DCA and LGA slots, more MDW gates, and whatever route they decide they can operate at a profit.
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:20 pm

FWIW, there are ATA flights out of PHX to Honolulu and Maui IIRC.....


In any case, it'll be fun to see what WN and TZ end up doing down the road. The possibilites could be quite interesting, and at the very least, will provide for many a thread on this board.
 
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:12 am

WNsocal and DFWrev...-

ATA is downsizing, therefore it's only logical that ATA discontinue flights to overlapping cities to get more airplanes available to give back to lessors. Southwest has just received 6 more gates at MDW, so it only makes sense that they would expand in MDW, and have ATA take a step backwards there. From that you cannot infer any kind of "ingestion" from southwest of ATA's scheduled flights. You don't see Southwest and ATA doing anything at all together in IND do you, or in any other city they share?

Southwest is only giving preferred INTERVIEW status to pilots at ATA, and it was a stipulation of the bankruptcy agreement that ATA pushed for (same as the codeshares, meaning southwest wasn't necessarily in favor). That doesn't mean they are hiring them. And they are only pilots, not rampers, not CSA's, not F/A's.

Nonvoting stock is nonvoting stock. They will have clout on who gets into what position, but they won't have any official power in terms of day to day operations of the airline. Southwest will hopefully make a tidy profit on their 27.5% of ATA stock, and get out clean in a few years when ATA has transformed into a leaner and mainly vacation and charter airline.
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RE: ATA Cuts Some MDW Service..

Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:59 am

And they are only pilots, not rampers, not CSA's, not F/A's.

Planespotting,

Where did you hear that? The article on SWAlife mentions interviewing qualified ATA employees after internal applicants, I can't imagine we have too many internals applying for pilot slots.

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