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Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:18 am

Hey all,

An update on international expansion from AC... Is this going to be possible given the rumoured addition of a 343 that is apparently coming from JM?



MONTREAL, Jan. 7 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada today announced that it will
introduce non-stop flights between Toronto and Seoul, further building its
main Toronto hub with more non-stop services to Asia. Air Canada will operate
three times weekly non-stop service from Toronto beginning July 1, 2005,
complementing its daily non-stop flights from Vancouver to Seoul. With an
elapsed time of 14 hours 15 minutes westbound and 12 hours 55 minutes
eastbound, the non-stop flight will save travellers 3 hours 20 minutes
compared to the Vancouver routing.
"New non-stop service to Seoul from our main Toronto hub brings eastern
North America that much closer to Korea, and strengthens Air Canada's position as a carrier of choice between North America and Asia," said Ben Smith, Vice President, Planning. "Our growth in non-stop flights between Toronto and Asia complements our extensive choice of non-stop services from our main Asia gateway in Vancouver, and offers customers more flexibility and choice in their travel planning. Combined with our major expansion of services
throughout Latin America, also via our Toronto hub, Air Canada offers
international travellers between Asia and South America the added convenience of avoiding U.S. transit visa requirements."
Air Canada will operate the new route using 282-seat A340-300 aircraft.
With a 09:45 departure from Toronto on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, arriving in Seoul at 13:00 the next day, flight AC065 is timed to offer convenient morning connections to and from points throughout Air Canada's extensive North American network, particularly in eastern Canada and the United States. The eastbound flight, AC066, leaves Seoul at 14:40 on Monday, Thursday and Saturday and arrives in Toronto at 14:35 the same day, providing maximum connecting options.
With the addition of Toronto-Seoul non-stop service, Air Canada will
offer customers up to 12 non-stop flights per day in each direction between
Canada and eight destinations in Asia. From its main hub in Toronto, the
carrier operates daily non-stop flights to Hong Kong, Tokyo and Delhi, the
only non-stop link between North America and India. From its Pacific Asian
gateway in Vancouver, Air Canada serves Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing, Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya and Seoul with daily non-stop flights, as well as Taipei on a codeshare basis.
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:55 am

AC has eyes on several new destinations, I am sure we will hear more as they procure the necessary a/c.

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Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:48 am

It was more than overdue, that some star carrier begins a nonstop Ameican east coast to Seoul flight.

I had expected UA to begin such a flight from ORD, but also nice to see AC trying it.
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:36 am

Doesn't AC operate a 2nd daily YVR-Seoul flight in the summer?........I wonder if that is toast now?

I wonder what's next for AC Asian expansion........YVR-Delhi, YYZ-China?
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:03 am

The 2nd YVR-SEL 767 flight is currently on hold, and will probably not operate for S2005. The flight existed largely to accomodate the overflow of daily YYZ-ICN connections. YYZ-PEK is next on the drawing boards pending aircraft availability. Could see it happening if AC gets its hands on one of JM's A340's being returned.
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:15 am

The timing sucks though. Leaving on a Friday, you arrive in Seoul on Saturday evening. I'd prefer a Saturday departure, gets you into Seoul mid-afternoon on Sunday. Enough for a good rest, dinner, a decent night's sleep and you're ready for business on Monday morning. When I used to fly that route regularly via YVR on business, I really liked the 5 pm or so arrival time at SEL/ICN. Grab the bus, get to the hotel by about 7 pm, have a nice shower and dinner, hit the hay at 9 or 10 pm, get a full night's sleep, and be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed for business on Monday morning.

Jet lag would of course catch up to you by mid-afternoon.

A Friday departure just makes you lose an entire day (Friday), and gives you a day off in Seoul to spin your wheels doing nothing.

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Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:16 am

Is it that easy for AC to operate more flights to China? Isn't there any problem with additional traffic rights?
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:03 am

As I understand it, both the Canada-China and Canada-India bilateral agreements are the subject of negotiations to allow an expansion of services for carriers of the countries concerned. I don't think YVR-DEL would interest AC given the current two flight a week limitation, and of course AC has an interest in BOM as well.

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Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:13 am

It's good to see another international route from AC. I think AC preference would be YYZ-SHA and YYZ-BOM. As mentioned YYZ-BOM would
not be very economical right now as AC would only be allowed two flights/wk under current agreement. I don't know about the legal limitations of YYZ-SHA,
but it would give AC another almost exclusive route from Eastern North America. ( I believe CO is about to start EWR-SHA).
Lack of equipment is ofcourse another issue.( Hopefully AC can get their hands on those SQ 345 when they are available).

As a YYZer I am ofcourse biased. I want to AC add nothing but YYZ-??? routes.

Come on you gunners......!!!!!

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