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The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:06 am

American Airlines and Continental Airlines both applied with DOT to serve the Los Angeles-Mexico City market, since Delta is dropping it.

American Airlines application:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=310592&docketid=20069

Continetnal Airlines application:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=310592&docketid=20069

Both airlines present strong cases. AA has a large focus city operation at LAX and offers a plethora of connecting oppurtunities. Continental will rely mainly on O&D traffic (which is not a problem in this market), but has a strong footing and commitment in the Mexico market.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:13 am

...which sorta makes you wonder WhyTF DL is dropping it?  Sad
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:15 am

Both of the listed applications are for American Airlines.
 
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:36 am

Most likely AA will put a S80 on this if they get it. But....It could warrant a 757. Hope AA gets it.  Smile
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:57 am

WOW, I thought AA had service to MEX from LAX, but they just codeshare with MX. :0
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:28 am

Here is Continental's application.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfmdocumentid=310594&docketid=20071

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Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:40 am

I can't help but think that American will get it. American is asking to offer 2 daily 757's on the route, whereas Continental is asking for a single 737 flight on the route. I think it would take a massive case of idiocy on the DOT's part to give this to Continental instead of American.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:54 am

I know this thread is about the applications of AA and CO but I can't help asking why DL is leaving. This is clearly a major route for any U.S. carrier and it just seems like too stupid that I really wonder what the reason is. I look forward to reading everybody's comments and opinions on this issue.

I concur with SHUPirate1 that AA should take it based on the capacity they are offering. On a personal level, though, I would prefer to see CO get the authority because it would nicely replace DL as the U.S. SkyTeam carrier in charge of this route.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:05 pm

Knock me doiwn with a feather!

I'm surprised Delta is giving it up. I thought they held it as a permanent authority, inherited from Western Airlines?

If so, it would be a valuable thing to give away, but, of course, I could be very wrong.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:30 pm

Didn't AS want LAX-MEX as well?
 
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:45 pm

When Western used to fly LAX-MEX, there used to be DC-10's on the route...and I believe Mexicana also flew DC-10-15's on this route as well. Now it's nothing but 757's and smaller - no widebodies at all. Now the last vestige of that route (WA's successor DA) is pulling out. Very sad.

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Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:48 pm

I can't help but think that American will get it. American is asking to offer 2 daily 757's on the route, whereas Continental is asking for a single 737 flight on the route. I think it would take a massive case of idiocy on the DOT's part to give this to Continental instead of American.

Maybe the idiocy is American offering too much capacity, whereas CO could be operating just the right amount of seats to make money on the route?

Capacity (or overcapcity) doesn't mean they'll be successful, and it doesn't mean they'll make money on the route, either.
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:57 pm

PanAm747, sometimes MX sends its 763ER to LAX. Since the plane's sole purpose is to fly to EZE and this only happens 5x a week as per the Mexico-Argentina bilateral, MX is able to use it for some flights to LAX too to keep it busy.

Falcon84, I agree that in a great number of cases offering capacity that is not really required would result in losses rather than in profits, but I believe that MEX-LAX is a huge, huge market and it can support AA's proposed two 752 flights (which would be like adding one more 752 flight, since DL currently operates 1 daily 752).
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:06 pm

Eddie, maybe you're right, and I wasn't implying to the contrary. Maybe I should have stated that. But my point was bigger (plane-wise and capacity-wise), isn't always better.
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:34 pm

We are in complete agreement Falcon.

And speaking of making money (sorry for being so insistent), I can't understand why DL is abandoning a route that is supposed to be lucrative. Notwithstanding the high percentage of ethnic and leisure travelers, MEX-LAX is a good route in terms of high-yield passengers (paying business class pax and full-fare Y class pax). Furthermore, NW flies to NRT from LAX and KE flies to ICN from LAX, so LAX is a major connecting hub for Mexicans going to Asia and for Asians going to Mexico, so I am sure that DL could have taken advantage of that situation.
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:35 pm

Falcon-Obviously, it doesn't always make sense to fly more rather than less, however, we are talking about a unique situation here, namely one where an airline is trying to sway a third-party (the DOT) to let them fly a route without frequency limitations. For one, American obviously has bigger plans for the route than Continental does. American is bringing in two daily 757's configured at 22F 166Y (according to the DOT docket), which means 376 daily round-trip seats. Even if Continental brings in a daily 739, configured at 16F 149Y, that's just 165 round-trip seats every day. Additionally, for business traffic (and I can't help but think that this is a significant business route, between the US' second-largest metro area and the largest city in the Western Hemisphere), there's some frequency on the route with American's proposal (twice a day, versus once a day with Continental's). If American had a somewhat smaller plane (this is moot, because they don't, I know), I'm sure they would rather go with 3 daily frequencies, however, the 738's are too large for three daily frequencies, and the MD-80's, while they have the right capacity for the job, would likely be a chronic westbound weight restriction issue due to the altitude at MEX (somebody in operations could be a GREAT help with that, thanks).
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:38 pm

According to MX's itinerary, they only send the 763 for flight MX900, once a week on Sundays.

 
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:52 pm

Isn't it wierd that you have to apply for a route where only two carriers from each country are allowed on one route and you even have to fix your number of frequencies between two countries which both contain to tha NAFTA?

It is time to open competition between Mexico and the USA in the same way it is open between canada and the USA.
 
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:05 pm

This isn't a surprise. I always love flying down to SJD on AA from LAX. You get some real interesting people on those flights  Big grin
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:20 pm

Hi JoFMO. While your statement is completely true and fair from an open-markets perspective, I think that the Mexican government was very smart at negotiating the bilateral with the U.S. While AM and MX are superior in terms of quality and service to most U.S. carriers, having an unrestricted market like the one you propose would definitely reduce the market share of Mexican carriers significantly, since you would have many more U.S. airlines flying from the major U.S. airports to MEX, CUN, etc than Mexican carriers flying those same routes. In addition, U.S. carriers would be in a better position to offer lower fares than MX and AM in such a scenario forcing the Mexican competition to back off of some routes (or altogether destroying it) because they would not mind losing money in their flights to Mexican cities as long as they can cross-subsidize those losses with the profits they obtain from certain domestic or other international routes.

Bottomline, I hope I don't sound nationalistic, populist and protectionist (actually I am a very firm believer in open markets most of the times, and very proud of it... my legacy from my graduate studies at the University of Chicago), but I hope this "only 2 carriers from each country in each city pair" rule remains in effect for the welfare of the two flag carriers of my country. Just my 2 cents.

Contrary points of view and constructive criticism are more than welcome.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:48 pm

No no no!! So sad not seeing AS applying! What if AS decide to apply today or tomorrow two days before AA and CO did? Would they take them into consideration?

MD80s and B738s/B739s will have a lot of restrictions in the outbound flight to LAX. Therefore I see CO only flying B737-700 or B757-200 and in case AA wins the battle they will only stick with B757 and probably B762/B763 or A300 in the future.

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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:56 pm

Ghost77-Continental specifically stated on their application that they would be running 737's on the LAX-MEX route. However, they did not mention which 737 variant they would be running.

BTW, would the 738 and 739 struggle that much with the MEX-LAX flight? I know MEX is very high up, but I assume they'd have long-enough runways for that flight to not have to take a payload hit. Obviously, American would REALLY struggle on that westbound route payloadwise if they ran the MD-80 on it, which presumably is why they are putting the 757 on the route.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 4:02 pm

Isn't there already a Sky Team partner on the route with AM??
 
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 4:18 pm

If one of these airlines gets the China route, maybe the loser will get MEX as a consolation prize.
 
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 4:25 pm

Heres the original post regarding DL's withdrawal:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1886135/

Why is DL pulling out? I think it's because DL has frittered away so much of its prescence at LAX and within Mexico. At the time of the DL-WA merger, DL really benefitted from WA's marketing in Southern California. WA constantly promoted its services LAX-Mexico (and I'm sure WA did likewise in Mexico-perhaps our posters from Mexico can enlighten on this). And, to make a long story short, as DL has withdrawn various LAX services, DL's marketing in the SoCal market has dwindled as LAX is of less significance to DL.
From my previous line of work at LAX, I can tell you that over the last couple of years (at least), DL didn't benefit much from it's alliance partners. KE and NW used to send most pax conx to MX or AM for continuations to MEX primarily due to more convenient schedules. Historically, DL has flown the route with an 18:30 departure - long, long after KE or NW has arrived. And really not a good schedule for true interline connections, as the last bank of Asian arrivals occur bewteen 13:30-15:00. Over the past year, DL has op'd this flight with a 00:30 departure time. Not much better for interline connections (evening bank from Asia between 18:30-20:30), AND a more competitve hour as MX had (has) MEX departures at 00:30 and 01:30.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:52 pm

with B757 and probably B762/B763 or A300 in the future.


They wouldn't waste a valuable 763 that could be flying a long haul route on LAX-MEX. Nor would they ever waste a 3-class 762, which AA has very few of and is dedicated to flying out of JFK on trans-cons and BDA/MIA flights. Nor would they ever use an A300, which only flies from the East coast, all of them being based out of Miami. Two daily 752s, as AA proposes, is more than enough.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:55 pm

American's A300 fleet, which numbers 34 aircraft are not all based at MIA. Many are based at JFK and are the backbone of AA's service from NYC to the Caribbean.

I don't know if CO will get this route. American offers a few more connecting opportunities at LAX whereas CO is very much an O&D player there, with flights to EWR, IAH, CLE, and HNL.

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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:55 am

"BTW, would the 738 and 739 struggle that much with the MEX-LAX flight? I know MEX is very high up, but I assume they'd have long-enough runways for that flight to not have to take a payload hit."

CO flies a 737-800 between EWR and Mexico City, so I think LAX which is significantly closer would be no trouble.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:07 am

Isn't it wierd that you have to apply for a route where only two carriers from each country are allowed on one route and you even have to fix your number of frequencies between two countries which both contain to tha NAFTA?

There are no restrictions at all on frequency. Once an airline gets a US-Mexico route, they can fly one weekly flight or ten daily flights and adjust the frequencies and aircraft size at their leisure.

American's A300 fleet, which numbers 34 aircraft are not all based at MIA. Many are based at JFK and are the backbone of AA's service from NYC to the Caribbean.

You could be right, I'm not sure. I was under the impression they are all Miami-based aircraft, although there is a NYC-based pilot base, and that is one of the reasons there are five daily MIA-JFK flights operated by A300s, to rotate them in and out of Miami to JFK to do Caribbean runs.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:27 am

AA is not going to route an A300 through MEX to LAX for just one or two frequencies, much more cost effective to get better utilization of existing LAX transiting aircraft.

I could definetly see AA flying the A300 from JFK-Mexico City should DL give that route up aswell, makes more sense for AA to be operating JFK-Mexico City than DL but that's just my opinion.

CO got their EWR-Mexico City route authorities via Eastern who operated JFK-Mexico City-Acapulco with A300s/L1011s.

DL got their JFK-Mexico City route authorities from Pan Am.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:34 am

United flies that route with an A320, I believe.
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:19 am

Ghost77-Continental specifically stated on their application that they would be running 737's on the LAX-MEX route. However, they did not mention which 737 variant they would be running.

SHUPirate1- Didn't specify but my guess goes to B737-700. Just like AM they send a mix of B737-700s and B757-200. MX do the same thing A320s family (they only have problems with the A318) and B757/767.

BTW, would the 738 and 739 struggle that much with the MEX-LAX flight?

AM's MD80s suffer a lot on westbound flights to the north. For some reason they send MD80s to JFK with no problems! AM has done its homework and research and they classify the 717, 738, 739, 763/764 as terrible performes out of MEX! AM would suffer a lot with those types in their fleet. True AA and CO fly 738 eastbound being MEX-EWR from CO the longest one but maybe they fly with less pax or cargo! It's really hard to understand MEX airport works sometimes!

Isn't there already a Sky Team partner on the route with AM??

It was DL.

United flies that route with an A320, I believe.

Yeap, daily UA A320 to MEX from LAX. A long time ago IIRC they had 2 daily B757s.

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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:35 am

question 1--

Does the Mexican government get its own say in what carrier gets the route?
I would think the Mexican government would prefer Continental solely for the smaller plane being used, O&D traffic base which would not "steal" business away from Mexican carriers.


question 2--

where all can you connect to on AA from LAX?
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:36 am

Are A300 bases are BOS,JFK, and MIA. These are all Pilot bases for it as well. MX does JFK-MEX, which in turn helps AA as a codeshare.
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:49 am

I hope AA gets the route. If any of you are interested in my opinion.
 
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:07 am

Does the Mexican government get its own say in what carrier gets the route?

Of course, though I have a feeling they usually just go with what the DOT agrees with.


where all can you connect to on AA from LAX?


Including codeshares...
Auckland, Boise, Brisbane, Denver, Dublin, Eagle County/Vail (Colo.), Fresno, Hong Kong, Honolulu, Kona, Las Vegas, London, Lihue, Maui, Medford (Ore.), Melbourne, Monterrey (Calif.), Nadi (Fiji), Osaka, Palm Springs, Portland, Reno, San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose (Calif.), San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, Seattle, Sun Valley, Sydney, Taipei, Tokyo, Vancouver, and Zurich.

Those don't include the "back tracking" connections, like Fort Lauderdale, Miami, New York City, etc., but those could be made too.

Continental, including codeshares, offers logical connections only to Gunninson (Colo.), Honolulu, and Tokyo.
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:12 am

I imagine the route will be flown by a 800......larger cargo capacity. This would be great if we can get this....I would love to move to LA....and more flights equal more job opportunities for us in LAX!!
 
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:50 am

What about AA flying MD83`s ?
 
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:12 am

"Continental, including codeshares, offers logical connections only to Gunninson (Colo.), Honolulu, and Tokyo."

Actually, CO's potential network is much larger

AA Eagle is a Continental Connection partner @ LAX. Therefore, same connecting opportunities for intra-California short haul (SAN, SBA, SBP, MRY, FAT)
CO also codeshares with Horizon to BOI, EUG, and MFR.
Also, add TPE as CO codeshares on BR metal and LHR - VS metal.

Of course, scheduling would determine how logical any online, Skyteam, or codeshare connections would be.
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:22 am

A999-AA's docket specifically states they will be flying 2 757's a day on the route. The MD-83, in all likelyhood, would be a near-daily weight problem on the MEX-LAX leg.
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:16 am

Continental, including codeshares, offers logical connections only to Gunninson (Colo.), Honolulu, and Tokyo."

Actually, CO's potential network is much larger

AA Eagle is a Continental Connection partner @ LAX. Therefore, same connecting opportunities for intra-California short haul (SAN, SBA, SBP, MRY, FAT)
CO also codeshares with Horizon to BOI, EUG, and MFR.
Also, add TPE as CO codeshares on BR metal and LHR - VS metal.


Thanks for the corrections, though that is still not larger than what AA offers.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:01 am

Are A300 bases are BOS,JFK, and MIA

AA airplanes are not "based" anywhere... AA flight/cabin crews are.

What about AA flying MD83`s

Performance restricted at MEX's high altitude/high temp. I'd have to look closely to see what, if any, performance penalties the 738 would see but the 752 should have no trouble departing MEX on its hottest summer day at maximum payload to LAX.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:02 am

If MAH4546 is correct (and I have no reason to doubt him) that once the carrier has the route between the U.S. and Mexico, they can run as many or few frequencies as they want.

In that case, does it really matter the aircraft or the frequencies CO and AA propose to use? AA can immediately downgrade if need by, and likewise CO can upgrade. Therefore would it really factor into the DOT's decision all that much??
 
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:00 pm

MAH,
Didn't mean that CO had the larger network to/from LAX. Mean't that CO's network (online, Skyteam, codeshares) was larger than you had listed. Sorry for the confusing semantics.

If MAH4546 is correct (and I have no reason to doubt him) that once the carrier has the route between the U.S. and Mexico, they can run as many or few frequencies as they want.

An example of this was the LAX-GDL route. When this route was opened to service by another U.S. carrier via the U.S.-Mex bilateral, AA won based upon strength of its proposal to run 3 dallies. And this is what AA started with on that route. However, the market realities caused AA to reduce that schedule. AA retained the rights even when the service was reduced to 1 daily.
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:28 pm

Just for the record, CO does very little if any marekting its code share services with Eagle from interior or smaller cites in California. I cannot recall ever seeing any newspaper ads, billboards or media ads for it.

AA seems to have quite a bit of the Hispanic market to LAX for connections to GDL (and other cites I presume) as there always seems to quite a bit of Mexican families with excess checked baggage on the evening Eahl;e flights from FAT.

My guesstimate is that AA can funnel more connecting traffic to this service than CO can, and certainly more than DL has been.
 
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:45 pm

This route is O&D driven, connections are minor. AA and CO have DFW and IAH for connections to Mexico.

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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:06 pm

This route is O&D driven, connections are minor. AA and CO have DFW and IAH for connections to Mexico

STT757 is right. The bulk on this route are the so-called ethnic travelers, yet the number of premium passengers is big enough to make this route profitable.
I hope AA will get it. Do you have any idea about when the DOT will make a decision?


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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:44 pm

"Just for the record, CO does very little if any marekting its code share services with Eagle from interior or smaller cites in California."

If you reside in California, you haven't seen ANY marketing for this service beacuse CO is not permitted to sell on a p2p basis within California. It's a limited codeshare for the purpose of facilitating CO connections @ LAX. Same for the AS/QX services ex-BOI, EUG, and MFR - no p2p to/from LAX.
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RE: The Race Is On: AA And CO Apply For LAX-MEX

Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:14 pm

>MD80s and B738s/B739s will have a lot of restrictions in the outbound flight to LAX<

No. The 738/739 would have absolutely no issue going full from MEX to LAX. The route is 1349 nm. 738s fly unrestricted westbound BOS-LAX all the time, and that is 2269 nm, against the jet stream. The 739 does MCO-SEA at 2219 nm with minor restrictions part time for AS, so again, no issue. The MD-80 is built for hot and high and the route is also within its range


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You have got to be kidding me. Those are all excelent performing planes, particularly the 767 and 717.
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