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Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:44 pm

I'm so pleased to tell you all that Britannia Airways is Making a return to Australia after a break of 4 years.

Flights will commence mid November 2005 and end in February 2006.
They will be operated using 767-300 Aircraft and have a premium cabin available. Charterer is Austravel, part of Thomson.

Prices start at £299 one way, £499 return, £999 return in Premium and go on sale today (09/01/05).
The routings are...

LGW-AUH-SIN-PER once a week
LGW-AUH-SIN-SYD once a week

These are direct routings with no stop overs available.

Details can be found in the forth coming Travel Trade gazette.

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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:48 pm

Nice to see them back there, just a shame they will be in that crap TUI livery!

Although, all the way to Oz on a charter? hmmm, might have to miss that one.

Anyway, I love Britannia (pre Tui) and good luck to them.

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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:55 pm

Britannia even offered flights to Australia from Maastricht in the mid 90s. In that time, it were the only flights to Australia below 8/900 euro, but now QF, MH, CX, UA and SQ sometimes offer flights between west Europe and Australia as well in the 700 euro r/t range, with nicer planes (IFE), only one stop and possibilities to stop over and open jaw. I wonder if many people want to be stuck in an 8 abreast Britannia 767 for 26 hours or so while they can find a better product.
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:05 pm

That will be one long time to get from the UK to australia, would rather fly to LAX or SIN then onto the UK.
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:37 pm

Austravel are using Britannia I guess because of the lack of availability of the European Air Charter 747's.

Both businesses are within the Tui Group too so it may make better financial sense too, that's if they can sell it. Having said that, I hear that the last charters were leaving pretty full.


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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:26 pm

it might be a long time, but those prices dont seem too bad at all
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:17 pm

Hi,

They are good prices but I presume you would have to be on a package with Austravel? I hope they are increasing there seat and widening the seats for that length of flight?

I hope passengers are more impressed this time around:

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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:48 pm

I doubt verey much that you would have to book a package...

You didn't when they were selling the EAF flights.



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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:11 pm

Excuse my ignorance, but what does AUH stand for?

Will tickets be available for Australian passengers?

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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:11 pm

Oh I could think of nothing worse than travelling that distance on a BY 763.
God help those in the 28" pitch in the back. Their will need to be a run on DVT flightsocks.
 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:13 pm

I think AUH is Abu Dhabi. Thats where the flights stopped last time
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:28 pm

763's don't have 28" seat pitch..

AUH is Abu Dhabi.

Previous flights to AUS were full and the majority of passengers were happy to be able to fly to Australia relatively cheap.

 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:44 pm

G-OBYH and G-OBYJ both have 31" seat pitch in the non-premium seats.

Still a bit of a squeeze though!
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:46 pm

"763's don't have 28" seat pitch.."

Sorry correction 30". What a difference......
"On a long haul flight our standard seat has a pitch of 30* inches (76.2 cms)"
From Britanniaairways.com

Still wouldnt touch it with a barge pole. Albeit full scheduled more expensive flights, the following offer seat pitches
BA 744 At least 31"
QF 744 At least 31"
VS 744 At least 32"
SQ 744 At least 32"
CX 744 At least 32"
Per SeatGuru.com

You gets what you pays for I suppose. And there will be a market for it I sure.
It will be funny to hear people moan about it once they've flown.
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:21 pm

Will Britannia 767s operaing to Australia still be configured 8 abreast? Not many other 767 operators configure 767s 8 abreast, its usually 7 isnt it?
 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:51 pm

I agree with BY738: a trip from more than 22 hrs with seat pitch of 28 or 30 in is horror. And Britannia has 2-4-2 seating instead of 2-3-2 on 767.

And concerning prices: Australia has very low yield from Germany, QF offers (ex Germany) for GBP 480 both ways + taxes (all together from GBP 553).
Also 2 domestic flights (9,20 GBP each) are available. So the price is very low for the distance but, as I mentioned, yield is very low.

What is Premium Class like? And would you fly from LON to PER via SYD???


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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:05 am

Wow this is great news  Smile

Its a shame that TUI colors will be seen there. The poor Ausies wont know what hit them! Cover you eyes ! Sad
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:07 am

lol@Pilot kaz, I have an Australian friend and he loves the TUI knob!
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:10 am

How many pax do they stuff into the 763? Probobly the max allowed, 350.
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:14 am

The TUI scheme is horrid, now I like blue aircraft such as KLM but TUI adding the billboard red text make it look like someone has puked all over it!

It looks way to charter now, at least the classic had some sort of potential to it.
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:20 am

lol, pilot. Some like it, some don't. But I hope Britannia will let passengers go into plane and dont let them fly on the wings, so they needn't see the colors all the time  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:21 am

It looks way to charter now, at least the classic had some sort of potential to it.

Very true Kaz. Great news for Britannia though  Smile

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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:22 am

But I hope Britannia will let passengers go into plane and dont let them fly on the wings, so they needn't see the colors all the time

If I ever had to sit on the wing and look at that scheme for that amount of time....OMG!

I send you my will in advance  Big grin
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:26 am

DeltaWings,

Currently BY stuff 328 (315 with Premium) into there 767-300ER's


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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:36 am

8 abreat in a 767 is fine for Britannia's routes to the Med and Canaries but not for a flight to Australia!!
 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:46 am

So Britannia's "Premium Class" is just another ordinary Economy Class for other airlines: 2-3-2 is nothing special for a 767.

And what about the catering? Don't they have galleys on board? I can't see any on the plan.
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:50 am

Well on there charter flight at the moment you have to pay extra for a meal. But this is on flights such as LTN-FVT and they use 757's for these routes.

I am not sure about the 767 and galley's though, surely if they plan to do this they should re-equipped there aircraft a little?

Or will they turn into Charter-Ryanair and tell them to bring there own food Big grin
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:52 am

Pilot_kaz, I guess we think too long winded, imagine 315 paxe + fa + pilots and 5 (FIVE) toilets, means: a toilet for 66 people.
This means that eating and drinking is forbidden
a) 6 hours before departure
b) during the flight
c) during the stop in AUH.


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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:54 am

AUH being where? The mouse over does not work  Sad
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:58 am

AUH is Abu Dhabi (close to DXB), but read reply 27  Wink/being sarcastic
My first thought was that meals in Abu Dhabi but problem is 1 toilet for 66 passengers. This may work on domestic routes but not on 24 hrs trips
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:58 am

AUH is Abu Dhabi Kaz  Big grin

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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:59 am

That is a picture of hell. 23 hours in-side that? With the cheapest of the cheap? Yuk.
 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:04 am

Thanks  Smile

Hmmm the only reason I can think is for topping up, food Fuel etc as you said.

Or could it be that BY would be offering LGW-AUH flights also? They just put it all on one route?

If not surely it would be better For the airline to get a bigger aircraft such as A330, 777 or a 747?
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:06 am

Spike, I will fly to BNE in June this year - and already the idea makes my back hurt.
And imagine: GBP 999 for normal 2-3-2 seating in so-called "Premium".

If passengers were animals , the humane society would start a campaign against you, chicken in laying batteries live more comfortable.
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:10 am

Yeah, and chickens can actualy fly for free! Although maybe not all the way to Brisbane.
 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:21 am

Britannia successfully operated Australia flights previously for 10 years.

Where on earth did the statement " eating is forbidden " come from. On previous flights, six meals are served from LGW to AUS.

Not everybody can afford to fly a scheduled Airline down to Australia and these flights were all some people could afford and were pleased of the opportunity to get down to Oz to see family or to backpack around that wonderful country.

I posted this information because I thought it may interest those interested in aviation. I did not expect such snobbery, exaggeration and lies to be posted about an airline...p.s..Spike..your Profile is charming

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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:26 am

Balboy, the statement "eating is forbidden" comes from http://www.britanniaairways.com - and successfully means "earning money" ? If so, were they forced to interrupt that service?
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:28 am

Well if shoving 315 people into a 767 isn't snobbery in calling yourself an airline rather than a human cargo carrier...
 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:30 am

Imagine if they had to send a 757 on that route  Big thumbs up
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:37 am

I think Britannia has to change the interieur - guess it's impossible with 5 toilets for 320 people on long haul and almost no galley, also 2-4-2 is hell but I guess they don't wanna change it.

Balboy: "Not everybody can afford to fly a scheduled Airline down to Australia and these flights were all some people could afford and were pleased of the opportunity to get down to Oz to see family or to backpack around that wonderful country."

Everybody can do what he wants, Balboy, and maybe people like to fly for that price - but that price isn't the best bargain ever. As I mentioned, QF has same price from Germany - with more comfort.

I posted this information because I thought it may interest those interested in aviation. I did not expect such snobbery, exaggeration and lies to be posted about an airline...p.s..Spike..your Profile is charming"

Is it snobbery when you want to arrive alive  Wink/being sarcastic and without thrombosis? Exaggeration and lies? So is it me who is British or you? Where's the British Sence of Black Humour?
Did you post it to make advertisment and everybody claps his hand?  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:37 am

NumberTwelve.

I still don't understand your statement "eating is forbidden". Of course you can eat, and yes of course there are galleys.

Also, to try and clear up any misconception about paying for meals, Britannia do not charge for meals, Thomson charges for meals on Thomson flights. Austravel is owned by Thomson, but Austravel is not a ' Thomson flight' so I doubt any separate charge will be made for catering. Austravel will specify the on board service it would like Britannia to provide for its customers.

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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:44 am

Balboy, you have to agree that we have to make a difference between comfort and price.
Price is ok but travelling 2-4-2 in a 767 is everything but ok. And a toilet for 66 people may be ok on short trips - but 22 hrs-trips?

Just compare the space for the galley - 744 from QF with 763 from Britannia!

And as MEA 707 and I mentioned: other , really good airlines, also have prices like Britannia - and have much more space for customers.
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:53 am

I dont like knocking Britannia airways but they have gone terribly downhill since selling out to TUI. They were once a proud airline with a good service now though they want to be a 'no-frills' airline charging for meals and painting their planes in that awful 'thomsonfly' livery.

I wish them well with Australa flights but I really do think that they should have offered 2-3-2 seating for such a long flight.
 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:07 am

I just wish half off Stoke-on-Trent wern't able to fly to SYD for 400 quid. No wonder the Ozzies hate us.
 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:18 am

If other Airlines offer a more comfortable flight at a similar price over the Australian summer season then great.If Britannia want to start a UK-AUS service in today's UK cut throat market and make it work then I think that's great too.

The toilet issue really is not a problem believe me. If they can successfully operate 11+ hour sectors to MLE, CUN etc and regular trips to the SFB( with all them kids) then 7 or 8 hour sectors to AUH, AUH-SIN, SIN-AUS is not, and was not a problem.
 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:29 am

What is the total flight time Balboy? How long do you get on the ground in Abu Dhabi and Singapore?

 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:30 am

Ugh, usual speculation. How many of you have flown to Oz with a variety of airlines? Because if you had, you'd know Emirates fly 777s ten abreast in Y (like Finnair on the MD11), yet they are considered a premium airline. 30" pitch is fine, the difference is negligible between 30" and 31" (Virgin - considered one of the world's best airlines, although I disagree).

I think it's great that Britannia are able to fly people to such a faraway destination affordably. I might think twice about taking the flight, but not because 2-4-2 / 30" pitch on a seven-six is particularly uncomfortable (some of Pan Am's 747s had 3-5-3 in the 70s, and Channel Airways flew Tridents 4-3, now that's a bit extreme), only cos I, like others here, am a snob and being upstairs for 24 hours with a bunch of English pissheads would be pretty awful. If the pax could behave themselves (and I suspect they can), Britannia would be a similar experience to Gulf Air or whoever. I read that review on the other site, some idiot paid £1700, no wonder he felt ripped off. Hey ho, maybe next time if he has that kind of money he should fly a little known airline I like to call, "British Airways".
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:34 am

Usually 1 hour on the ground in both AUH and SIN was the norm, enough time for the passengers to have a ciggie and do a bit of shopping, especially in AUH where the shopping is great.
 
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:06 am

Why the two stops? If people can't break their journey in Singapore, it seems pointless when you can fly two nine hour legs with a single stop in Colombo - the exact midpoint en route (CMB to SYD is 39 miles / 4 minutes longer than the first leg from Sussex). Perhaps the seven six can't quite make it, although considering that they don't carry cargo or mail, this seems surprising.
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RE: Britannia Returns To Australia!

Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:02 am

Why the two stops? If people can't break their journey in Singapore, it seems pointless when you can fly two nine hour legs with a single stop in Colombo - the exact midpoint en route (CMB to SYD is 39 miles / 4 minutes longer than the first leg from Sussex). Perhaps the seven six can't quite make it, although considering that they don't carry cargo or mail, this seems surprising.

Probably the poor 767 cant make it to Colombo, because all that pax makes up for a full cargo hold.  Wink/being sarcastic

If not surely it would be better For the airline to get a bigger aircraft such as A330, 777 or a 747?

Knowing Britannia, they would most likely make use of the extra capacity and stuff 440 in the 777 and 600 in the 747.

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