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Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:02 am

A Continental 737-700 was damaged by a snowplow in Gunnison, Colorado. Aircraft damage is somewhat extensive.
 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:24 am

I see. So, somehow the snowplow running into a parked aircraft is CO's fault?
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:24 am

Bummers, to bad CO does not fly the S80 any longer.

Hope no one was hurt.
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:27 am

Actually the MD80 above was not damaged during parking... but after parking while maintenance was doing something overnight, engine run up test or something like that.

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:38 am

I heard the snowplow knocked the engine right off...any word whether it's a write off or will be fixed? Did the City of Gunnison just buy a 737-700  Wink/being sarcastic?
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:44 am

Since when did CO operate B73Gs?

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:45 am

I have seen pictures of the aircraft and all of the damage is underneath the fuselage around the main wheel well. I didn't see any engine damage.
 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:54 am

Since when did CO operate B73Gs?

I believe CO is one of the only operators to use all three main variants of the 737NG family, the -700, -800, and -900. They also have a large fleet of older 737's.

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:09 am

I heard the snowplow knocked the engine right off...any word whether it's a write off or will be fixed? Did the City of Gunnison just buy a 737-700

The 737NG is a very robust airframe. GOL drove one of theirs off the runway and crashed it through a stone wall, and managed to put it back into service. Engines are designed to sheer-off safely in the event of an uncontained failure or landing gear collapse, so long as there is no major wing/pylon damage I would expect the 73G to be ok...
 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:06 am

I believe CO is one of the only operators to use all three main variants of the 737NG family, the -700, -800, and -900. They also have a large fleet of older 737's.

You forgot about the -600. SK operates the -600, -700, and -800. Anybody knows why they went with the A321 rather than the -900?

And while we are on topic, are there any operators having all FOUR variants?
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:14 am

I left out the -600 because it is not widely used, with SK being the only real major airline I can think of at the moment who flies it. They also fly the -700 and -800, but not the -900. Because of the low numbers of the -600 series sold, I don't believe any airline has possession of all the variants of the 737NG, including the -600.

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:21 am

SAS is not the only airline to operate the 737-600. Braathens, Royal Air Maroc, to name a few, do also, granted it is a slow seller.

70% of Continental's fleet is made up of 737's (-300, -500, -700, -800, and -900) making it the second largest operator of the type in the US after Southwest Airlines.

The -300's are the oldest, the -500's were delivered starting in 1993.

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:26 am

Anybody knows why they went with the A321 rather than the -900?

I'd say politics, but that probably isn't the most accepted answer from some people on these forums  Big grin
 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:28 am

There's no excuse for this kind of carelessness. The snowplow should have been driving more carefully.
 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:35 am

>>>There's no excuse for this kind of carelessness. The snowplow should have been driving more carefully.

In the absence of any detailed facts of what happened, how can anybody make such a statement?  Insane
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:42 am

I've had to delete about 15 posts in this thread due to a member taking it off course into stupid jokes. Please everyone stay on topic now and enjoy your discussion.  Smile

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:49 am

Thanks, Jean...

So, does anyone have any actual, factual information on what happened in this incident?
 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:04 pm

a damaged commerical jetliner in Gunnison, Colorado?

Never heard of that airport. Or I have never see that city name. Must be a charter flight?



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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:07 pm

No, CO flies a daily flight there from IAH.

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:08 pm

CO 1662 leaves IAH at 1155am and arrives in Gunnison (GUC) at 1:33pm.
CO 1663 leaves GUC at 230pm and arrives in IAH at 549pm.

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:10 pm

CO 1663 arrived at IAH at 5:33pm today, flying with a 737-700. Not sure if that was the 737 in question.

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:11 pm

I'm not so sure about this "incident"

Continental.com shows flights 1662 and 1663 operating normally the past few days. If it was hit by a snowplow in GUC, then 1663 to IAH most likely would have been cancelled (unless they had a spare 73G waiting there...). 1663 was only a few minutes late on Sunday 1/9 and Monday 1/10.

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:34 pm

Btw, is Continental seasonal service into Gunnison?

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:37 pm

Just FYI....

Gunnison, CO (GUC) serves the Crested Butte ski area.
 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:40 pm

I don't know what it is with people and snow plows, at the airport I work at my boss. That's MY BOSS plowed into two different hangers while he was plowing the ramp. On one hanger he damaged the door so bad that it would not open, and on the other one he ripped of a 50' X 50' steel panel off the side of the hanger.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:44 pm

It looks like it is regional service, and here is a site that details pretty good who flies there and when:

http://www.gunnisoncrestedbutte.com/page.php?pname=areatour/gettinghere/flying

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:57 pm

For the record, the event occurred on Sat, 8Jan. CO 1663 GUCIAH did cancel that day.
737-724, Ship 732 N16732. The aircraft is still in GUC , and routing shows it will stay there at least two more days.
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:01 pm

IAHCSR,

Can you tell me what 777 is working CO50 IAH-EWR on thursday? Much abliged!
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:29 pm

Can't see 1/13 until tomorrow, but if nothing changes it's a 50/50 chance of Ship 014 ... AKA Peter Max.
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:31 pm

I left out the -600 because it is not widely used

737-600: 75 ordered, 8 customers.
737-900: 55 ordered, 6 customers
(Source: Airlinerlist.com)

Widelier used than the -900 at least ....  Laugh out loud
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:31 pm

Thank you for the pertinent post, lahcsr.
 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:42 pm

THE ONLY TIME I BOOK TO JFK INSTEAD OF EWR! AUGH!
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:28 pm

A lady sitting next to me on a flight from DEN-SEA on Saturday was at the airport when this happened. I didn't believe her when she told me. They had been getting alot of snow as did the rest of the state. She was one of the few flights that day to make it out of Gunnison. Anybody have any pics?

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:45 pm

The MD80 incident happened due to cleaners playing around in the cockpit
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:52 pm

DFW

You'd be correct as well....except that it was probably more internal SAS politics than international. SAS is three "national airlines" welded together after all, and there are interest groups within the organisation who rail against each other.

A strange creature indeed....plus the A321 order was part of the A330/A340 acquisition but still makes little operational sense to anyone outside SAS.

There have been stories doing the rounds that SK could offload at least some to their Star partners LH and BD should they decide to rationalise following the partial demerger of business units.
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:02 pm

Ok, enough of the sidetracks about CO ordering what variety of 737's, why they didn't get the A321, AA777jr's stupid jokes, or the CO MD-80 that ran into the terminal in EWR......

If you have anymore information about this incident, lets discuss that, and only that.
 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:12 pm

That area of colorado has been getting hammered the past week or so with snow. Just yesterday, Monarch Pass (2 hours west of here) was closed due to avalanche. Meanwhile here in COS the weather has been beautiful. Local ski reports say that the area is getting anywhere from 6 inches to 3 feet of snow daily (california storms are getting funneled up the west side of the rockies).
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:36 am

For WesternA318 .... CO50 IAHEWR 1/13 is currently Ship 011, N97011 .... Subject to change of course...
And Ship 732 is still out of service in GUC. The MX folks say it may be there another 2-4 days before it can be flown out to HOU for final repairs.
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:42 am

On Saturday, while my UA A319 at LAX was sitting on the ground for 3 hours because a non-essential F/A panel light went MX and MX would not release us and we had to change planes, I saw an untitled, white with all blue fin (except for the CO globe piece on the rudder itself) CO MD-80 taxied past from T6. Was this an equipment sub, as LAX has not been getting CO Skidbuggies and they are supposed to be basically out of service?
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:19 am

N1120a,
The last of the -80s were taken out of service right after the new year (sorry, I cant remember the exact date..But if you do a search for it in here, there is a nice thread about it.)

As for the Md-80 incident years ago, it wasn't anybody playing in the cockpit...the aircraft was parked with the thrust levers not in the idle position, so when MX went to start up the a/c, the aircraft jumped the chalks and hit the terminal.

 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:33 am

As for the Md-80 incident years ago, it wasn't anybody playing in the cockpit...the aircraft was parked with the thrust levers not in the idle position, so when MX went to start up the a/c, the aircraft jumped the chalks and hit the terminal.

There's no reason why the incident should be blamed on the thrust levers being in the wrong position. Startup procedures include moving the thrust levers. Someone's mistake is all,

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:00 am

Andrew,

Im not trying to place the blame anywhere other than the mechanic - but rather clarifying the events leading up to the incident the for the ill informed. It seems as if the 'flight of the cleaners' has become quite a myth around here...


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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:09 am

The boneheads firewalled the throttles, but the parking brake was not properly set and thus the aircraft rolled forward and straight into the 115 gate house.

This being the second such incident at EWR, the first one occuring several years prior in which we created the world's first open-air 727 cockpit, Continental and the PANYNJ decided to invest in additional Supertugs for mx taxi and movements on the ramp. Maintenance staff no longer taxi aircraft at EWR due in no small part to this incident.

In GUC:

According to my source, the engine pylon, mounting, cowl, and nacelle were pretty badly damaged, but the engine itself is intact and should be flyable once they are able to mount it again. The aircraft will be fully repaired and prepped for a return to service at our Hobby 737 facility. I heard a vague report that the damage is estimated to be in the neighborhood of $1 million.
 
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:14 am

I'm driving up to GUC (actually going up to ski Crusty Butt) on Friday (14Jan).... any of you CO-types with influence so I can get in and take a pic or three?  Big grin
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:28 am

Just saw the initial FAA report online... (1st item out of the 3)

http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/D_0111_N.txt

Looks like gear damage and a hole in the fuselage as well...
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:18 pm

Good luck driving to GUC. They had a winter storm warning today with 2-5 feet of snow possible. Glad we don't have that here in the springs.
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:41 pm

Hehehehe, fortunately, I used to live just east of Castle Rock for about four years... and learned how to properly drive on snow/ice, unlike most others down here in Texas. So with that and a heavy 4WD turbo diesel, I don't expect too much problem on the drive.  Big grin

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:32 am

N1120a,

The MD-80 at LAX should have been N18835 as it's been out there since leaving the fleet. If it departed, it was scheduled to go to VCV for storage/lease return.

As for ship 732, I've seen the pics, still trying to figure out how that happened as some of the damage is in places that are hard to get to (between the gear tires for instance).

ContinentalEWR, off your earlier post...737-600s are or have been operated by SAS, Air Algerie, Malev, Air China, Tunis Air, Lauda Air, US Navy and Air Europa, with WestJet to come. RAM and Braathens never had -600s, only -5s.

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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:13 pm

Ship 732 ferried back into IAH Thursday afternoon. Should be interesting to see how long until it's back in service.
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RE: Continental 737 Damaged

Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:29 pm

As of 1/22/05 Ship 732 is still out of service...

NTSB Identification: DEN05LA048
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of Continental Airlines INC.
Accident occurred Saturday, January 08, 2005 in Gunnison, CO
Aircraft: Boeing 737-724, registration: N16732
Injuries: 68 Uninjured.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On January 8, 2005, at 1333 mountain standard time, a Boeing 737-724, N16732, operated by Continental Airlines Inc, as Continental Flight 1662, was substantially damaged when it was struck by a snowplow while it was stopped on the taxiway at Gunnison County Airport (GUC), Gunnison, Colorado. Instrument meteorological conditions (IMC) prevailed at the time of the accident. The airline transport certificated captain, airline transport certificated first officer, 3 flight attendants, and 68 passengers on board the airplane, and the driver of the snowplow were not injured. A passenger riding in the snowplow received minor injuries. The scheduled domestic passenger flight was being conducted under the provisions of Title 14 CFR Part 121 on an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight plan. The flight originated at Houston, Texas, at approximately 0938.

According to the captain, after landing on runway 06, he rolled out to turn off on A8 taxiway. While taxing westbound to the gate, airport operations requested him to hold on the taxiway between A4 and A5 to give a Delta Airlines pushback crew some room to move another airplane around. After stopping, he set the brakes, and made a passenger announcement. Approximately 3 minutes later, the airplane was struck from the left rear by a snowplow. The force of the impact pushed the left main landing gear forward approximately 10 feet, turning the airplane to the right. He said he shut down the engines, requested an assessment from the flight attendants, and told the first officer to call for fire equipment. He then surveyed the damage from the cockpit window and aft galley service door window. At that time, the snowplow had backed off to the east approximately 50 yards. He stated that the airport visibility was reported at 2 miles. However, he could see the Western State "W" on the hill, approximately 2.5 miles south of the airport. After an assessment of the damage and confirmation from the fire crew that it was safe, the airplane was towed to the ramp and the passengers were deplaned with the airstairs.

According to the airport manager, the snowplow was an Oshkosh H-series truck with a 22-foot wide plow. The snowplow was plowing the taxiway and did not realize that the airplane had stopped. The snowplow hit the left main landing gear assembly. The right end of the plow blade struck the underside of the airplane's fuselage, on the wing-to-fuselage fairing approximately 3 feet aft of the trailing edge of the wing. The impact resulted in a 10-foot gash, running forward from the point of initial contact along the keel beam between the main landing gear wheel wells.

According to witnesses, the snowplow was plowing snow from the taxiway and was seen approaching the parked airplane at approximately 40 to 60 mph.
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