gkirk
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Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:02 pm

Stansted-Santiago, starting 11th April 2005
http://www.ryanair.com/press/2005/jan/rte-en-110105.html
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levent
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:34 pm

Wow, pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela for 0.99 pounds!
 
Orion737
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:53 pm

This may be a tough route for Ryanair. I cant see many stag and hen weekends or villa owners. Santiago is a very different market, Northern Spain isnt well-known to many Brits.
 
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:00 pm

Some nice cheap opening offers for LPL-REU as well. I might just dip my toe in the Med for a weekend this spring....even though I've avoided Eireflop up until now!

Northern Spain would appeal to many older Brits as the car ferry market to Santander is long established and lots of potential travellers know the area.
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DouglasDC10
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:11 pm

Orion 737,

this should be no problem as long as airport fees are low. Northern Spain isn't very well known to Germans either and HAJ - BIO with Hapag-Lloyd Express works well.
 
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:18 pm

About time! That's all I will say. 'Tis great.  Big grin
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levent
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:24 pm

Northern Spain is really beautiful, travelled all along the coast by car from San Sebastian to Vigo (and beyond). If you like good food, friendly people, nature (rivers, mountains) and culture, it is very much worth a trip.
 
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:25 pm

But surely the route is to Portugal ?

After all, SCQ = Oporto North (Santiago de Compostela)  Smile
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levent
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:27 pm

Oporto is nice too!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:37 pm

Good news for the many Galicians working in Britain who are having to pay very expensive fares on IB to Santiago. Good for increasing tourism in what is a nice region. OK, a bit rainy, but green, and with lovely seafood!
Well done to Ryanair consolidating itself so quicky as the leading airline between the UK and Spain!

[Edited 2005-01-11 13:06:02]
 
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:37 pm

Well done, Ryanair !!!! (I am from Santiago  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

Santiago-Standsted: 18-22 April:

Ryanair (Stansted): 61 euros (all included)
Iberia (Heathrow): 913 (sic) euros (all included)

Well, I have no words... I hope Iberia is going to adapt itself to the new times.
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:23 am

There are rumors of future routes Santiago-Hahn (Frankfurt) and, possibly, Santiago-Beauvais (Paris). All depends of the success of this first route and (well, this is just my opinion) of the European competition authority not scrutinizing too close the present deal, because there is, as often with Ryanair, a subsidy paid by the Galician Regional Government (Santiago = capital of Galicia), the City Council and the Hotels Federation. Well... Wait and see.

By the way, does somebody know what was the real reason to stop the Ryanair route Charleroi ("Brussels South", they call it)-Stansted some time ago?

Regards

(And by the way, JGPH1A, Ryanair has another route Stansted-Oporto)
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:19 am

Spantax, you're right about the price issue, but I hope and I expect Ryanair doesn't get any subsidy from the Galician Regional Gov. like usual in FR. I don't want giving money from my taxes for a private company like FR is  Angry

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JOSEMEX
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:27 am

Well, with RyanAir opening up SCQ (to the west) and SDR (to the east), I guess the chances of them opening up OVD are, practically, nil?  Sad

Anxebla,

I always hear about the subsidies RyanAir (supposedly) gets for flying into airports such as SDR and SCQ. Do you know where I can find more info on these? Are these subsidies not available to other carriers such as JK, UX and IB?

[Edited 2005-01-11 18:48:47]

[Edited 2005-01-11 18:49:53]
 
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:39 am

"I don't want giving money from my taxes for a private company like FR is."

Is IB a government-run airline? Or has it ever been? If yes, then you - as a tax-paying citizen - would have paid BILLIONS over the years. I'm certain that 99.9% of Spanards would be totally against this.

"Are these subsidies not available to other carriers such as JK, UX and IB?"

It is about negociating a deal. Evidently FR people are very good at it.

[Edited 2005-01-11 18:40:56]
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:42 am

Paying airlines to use your airport is not a bad thing. Have a read at this newspaper article which explains the benefits to be accrued which more than outweigh anything paid to Ryanair.


Ryanair boosts Scottish economy by £89m+, new Scottish enterprise survey shows
airline's flights support some 2000 jobs nationally, 720 in Ayrshire
The arrival of low-cost airline Ryanair has had a sky-high impact on the Scottish economy, according to new independent research released today (5 November).
Visitors landing at Glasgow Prestwick International Airport on Europe's largest low fares airline pumped up to £89 million into Scotland…and new flights by the carrier are expected to make this figure grow even more.
Ayrshire alone has benefited from Ryanair's presence at Prestwick to the tune of between £13.8 million and £18.4 million.
Ryanair's inbound passengers stayed for a massive 2.4 million nights in Scotland during 2002-2003, and the average duration of their visit was just under eight nights. These passengers spent just under 280,000 nights in Ayrshire - proving good news for local hotels and guest houses.
The findings were revealed in the final report issued by economic development consultants SQW and survey experts NFO World Group. Scottish Enterprise Ayrshire commissioned the survey in July 2002 to examine the economic impact of the Ryanair air routes, with particular emphasis on passenger information such as
demographics, reasons for travelling, levels of satisfaction and contribution to the local economy.
Key findings of the report are:
• The presence of Ryanair flights to and from Prestwick supports between 620 and 720 full time jobs in Ayrshire, and between 1500 and 2000 across Scotland.
• Passengers exhibited a high socio-economic profile, with 78% of passengers in the top ABC1 grouping.
• Passengers were using Glasgow Prestwick International airport as a gateway to Scotland, with major economic benefits seen in the Greater Glasgow area up to the Highlands and Islands.
• The average spend per person per trip for visitors to Scotland was £215.
• Cost proved a major motivation for those flying in and out of Prestwick. Around 90% of passengers described the cost of the flight as an "important" or "very important" reason for taking the trip.
• Around 42% of passengers used the service to go on holiday, 38% were visiting friends and relatives, with a significant minority -14% - using the flights for business.
A steering group was formed by Scottish Enterprise Ayrshire to study the survey findings, including key people from Ryanair, Glasgow Prestwick International Airport, Ayrshire & Arran Tourist Board, Ayrshire & Arran Tourist Forum and South Ayrshire Council.
Ryanair welcomed the findings of the survey. Michael Cawley, Ryanair's Chief Operating Officer and Deputy Chief Executive said: "Ryanair is delighted this survey has taken place. We have known for some time that we bring major economic and tourism benefits to Prestwick, Ayrshire and Scotland. This survey has confirmed our belief, and we are delighted to be such an important factor in
the growth and development of Scottish tourism.
"These results will enable Ayrshire businesses and tourism bodies to develop a clear strategy on how to maximise the opportunities that Ryanair is delivering at Glasgow Prestwick, particularly since by January we will have twelve great European destinations that will double the benefits outlined in the survey.
"The survey is entirely consistent with Ryanair's beliefs - that Ryanair services generate inbound travel that would not have happened without the routes; that Ryanair generates additional short breaks in addition to main holidays; that price is the main reason for travel; and that the Internet is the most dominant booking source for flights.
Scottish Enterprise Ayrshire Chief Executive Evelyn McCann also welcomed the survey's interim findings. "The presence of budget airlines like Ryanair at Prestwick is a key economic success factor both at a local and at a national level.
"This survey has thrown up some fascinating results, and it is gratifying to see that Ryanair's services from Glasgow Prestwick are responsible for contributing so much to Scotland and up to £18 million to the local economy.
"Without a low-cost carrier such as Ryanair flying from Prestwick, the evidence provided by this survey suggests that a significant proportion of passengers would not be setting foot in Scotland or Ayrshire at all.
"Having a high-profile operator like Ryanair based at Prestwick also
contributes to the reputation and credibility of Ayrshire as a business location. The research shows that inbound passenger awareness of Ayrshire itself is increasing since the introduction of these routes."
The main methodology of the survey has been face-to-face interviews with passengers. In total, 831 interviews were held between August 2002 and July 2003.
Over the twelve-month period, just over half Ryanair's passengers - 53% - were outbound Scots.

 
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:41 am

First IB's fare on that route start from about 150gbp all inclusive return, Second IB fly from LHR-SCQ so many of those of Galician origin who live in London (many in the surrey area will still fly IB) By the way when the LHR-SCQ flight was changed to LGW, the Galician community protested to IB and IB took the flight back to LHR. So Stanstead? We'll see?

The Galicians are a very special pap, we'll see if Ryanair fully understand them.
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:46 am

Bullpit, to be fair, LCC's such as EZY or FR expand a market, not try to take over it. I think Pe@rson will agree with me on this  Big grin
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spantax
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:21 pm

And now Easyjet is planning (or has already decided, difficult to know) a new route L(a) Coruña-London Luton (LCG-LTN), according to the most important Galician newspaper (lavozdegalicia.es, but only in Spanish). Flights should start on March 27.

By the way, Bullpit, the fare I mentioned was 18-22 April, i.e., Monday-Friday. Of course, with a Saturday Night Stay Requirement, it would be 175 euro, but even this is about 300% more expensive than Ryanair!

I don't know if we, Galicians, are "a very special pap" but even here we understand what "300%" means. You, Iberia guys, have to be blind not to recognize that LCC are a real threat to Iberia. Please, react accordingly, with imagination, and not with this kind of self-sufficient comments. Here, in Belgium, the Sabena people used to express themselves in that way and we all know how the story ended.

I think that the present route Santiago-London (SCQ-LHR) is not going to last more than a year because it will be impossible to fill an A320 (or, maybe, it could be transferred to Air Nostrum; Iberia itself has not small jets).

Regards.
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bullpitt
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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:20 am

Let me tell you that the Saturday night requirement no longer applies on many IB routes. 16 mar to 17mar 151.20 all included if you book on internet, so as you can see a bit far from the 900+ you quoted. 166.20 if you do it over the phone.

The gallegos, believe me are very particular (I should know my grand father was one) And by the way I never have said LCC are not a threat to IB or other main carriers and we at IB will keep working to fight them.

The question is will the Gallegos and other tourist pay that extra to fly with IB, only time will tell.

By the way, can your call Ryanair in the UK and make a reservation in Spanish?

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RE: Ryanair Announce New Route To Spain

Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:12 pm

By the way, does somebody know what was the real reason to stop the Ryanair route Charleroi ("Brussels South", they call it)-Stansted some time ago?


The reason was simple: low loads and low yield.

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