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Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:40 pm

Can someone please confirm if LA is getting 2 more A340 later this year?

Last week a Lan Chile A340 visited MEX as a 'test flight' and other issues related to A340 and LA's operations. I spoke with some people from LA and they told me that they are not getting the additional A340s this year (reason of the 3 additional pax B767s for htis year). More over there's a strong internal rumor for placing orders for B772F's and a few B772LRs for replacement of A340s once approved for ETOPS operations for routes to SYD and AKL! Any additional information on this?


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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:51 am

There is something going on with the A340, LA was going to get their 5th aircraft by June 2005, but on a recent news release, they just said about getting 3 767-300 for 2005.
Since they use 767-300 for long haul, I think they might include 777 and change the 340s.

 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:08 am

I have never received official information about this, but I've heard from pilots since long ago about changing the 340s for 777s due to the A340 performance.
 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:23 am

According to the Airbus webpage and to people related to the aviation industry, Airbus will deliver 2 x A340 this year for LAN.

I´ve also heard that LAN was looking at other aircraft types for its long ranges destinations...but as addition to the actual fleet...

hmm we need official information! What´s wrong with the A340?..ok they are slowler than a 747-4 but a flight SCL-MAD-FRA with a 777 would cost more...

any ideas?
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:45 am

I know only pilot rumours, nothing official, and I certainly have no technical knowledge, so I beg your pardon if you don't understand me. Well, what I've heard is that the A340 brakes get extremely hot after landing, due to the little power the thrust reversers have, so the brakes need to be cooled for almost 3 hours before the plane is ready to fly again, and we know that keeping a plane on land is almost a sin for LAN. The other thing I've heard is that LAN has needed to change 8 A340 engines.

Perhaps all I said is known by everybody, and is completely normal. I'm just posting what I've heard from pilots, when they criticise the A340. So don't shoot the messenger.
 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:48 am

Why is the A340-500 not an option for LAN? Is SCL-AKL/SYD too far for the A340-500 to fly non-stop? Otherwise I don't see the reason for replacing their A340-300 with another type, unless Boeing will come with a very sweet deal, which Airbus won't let pass by that easy... The 777 would look very nice in LAN's livery but so would the A340-500  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:57 am

Why is the A340-500 not an option for LAN? Is SCL-AKL/SYD too far for the A340-500 to fly non-stop?


It isn't that long. Everybody, even us chileans, perceive that Australia and New Zealand are very far away, but it isn't. AKL is closer to SCL than MAD
 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:58 am

"More over there's a strong internal rumor for placing orders for B772F's and a few B772LRs for replacement of A340s once approved for ETOPS operations for routes to SYD and AKL!"

I was wondering when this information was going to get out. Approxiamately two years ago, I heard from seperate sources that LAN was considering an SQ-type deal, whereby they would sell off their A343's in favor of 772ER's. This was only reinforced when LAN subsequently cancelled one A343 (went from 7 to the current 6), and delayed the delivery of the remaining two. However, obviously nothing ever came of this.

So now there are rumors for 772LR's, huh? Doesn't surprise me. I would still be curious to see if this actually occurs, but it also wouldn't shock me. A 772F order, however, would be a surprise, since they have two more brand-new 763F's coming down the line as we speak.

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:25 am

Well, what I've heard is that the A340 brakes get extremely hot after landing, due to the little power the thrust reversers have, so the brakes need to be cooled for almost 3 hours before the plane is ready to fly again

I am in no way a specialist of planes, only a passenger. But as a passenger I can say I have taken more than often A343 which had far less than 3 hours on the ground, especially when it was with a flight stopping somewhere (for example CDG-BKK-SGN).

I just looked at some turnarounds on routes I know being operated by AF 343, and they are as follows:
CCS : 2 h 15 (15.50/18.05)
BOS : 2 h 15 (17.55/20.10)
BOG : 2 h 35 (16.05/18.40)
SGN : 2 h 20 (07.20/09.40)

So the 3 hour time might be a little exaggerated ?
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:35 am

>""Well, what I've heard is that the A340 brakes get extremely hot after landing, due to the little power the thrust reversers have, so the brakes need to be cooled for almost 3 hours before the plane is ready to fly again""<

THAT'S false, and very stupid, indeed, Hernán! And remember LAN is waiting for two more A340-300's... I tell you with friendship and respect: Don't say "boludeces"... ni rumores sin fundamento  Smile

>""So the 3 hour time might be a little exaggerated""< Yes, it's

>""Otherwise I don't see the reason for replacing their A340-300 with another type, unless Boeing will come with a very sweet deal, which Airbus won't let pass by that easy... ""< Totally agree!!
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:56 am

Joder..me parece mi que a este tio no le gusto la idea de LAN y el 777 para nada vale!

I think the 777 would look great in LAN colors...as would the A346 in LAN colors.
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:26 am

It's a well known fact that LAN's technical committe, pilot group and management all favored the 777 over the 340 when that initial competition took place a few years back. It took a personal trip by Foregard to Santiago and a last minute and significant price reduction to swing the deal in the 340's favor. In know the Airbus crowd can't stand that but it's a well documented story.

Perhaps the lower cost was not as worth it as LAN must've concluded at the time.
 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:45 am

For LAN the most suitable long-haul aircraft is the A340-300. LAN doesn't need the 777's or the A346's... and thanks to A343's LAN can flying AKL non-stop.
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:52 am

Keep in mind that LA originally bailed on the 777 in large part due to utter disappointment in thePW4098 project.

Since then I, like Hamlet have heard quite a few rumblings about an SQ-F.U. sorta deal by LA... but nothing more of it.

I sincerely doubt thrust reversers have much/anything to do with it, considering that they cannot be calculated into landing specs/protocol... more along the lines of the A340's general-inability to directly climb out over the Andes Cordillera whereas high-powered 777s can.
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:56 am

LAN doesn't need the 777's or the A346's... and thanks to A343's LAN can flying AKL non-stop.

Yup. That's why I think they can/probably will [at least should] substitute their A340s with 7e7 and/or A350s except a for a couple or so A340s to fly to AKL.

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:58 am

If LAN did decide to go with the 777 and replace their A340s, what would happen to the A319s and A320s? They'd be the only Airbus aircraft in the fleet.
 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:26 am

>""That's why I think they can/probably will [at least should] substitute their A340s with 7e7 and/or A350s except a for a couple or so A340s to fly to AKL""< When??? By 2012 or something like that? Big grin

NZ can't fly SCL and/or EZE due to they already have all 744's busy flying other routes-. A twin only can to do that leg (AKL-SCL/EZE) IF and only IF the ETOPS-330' regulation is approved. At the moment, any twin is unable to fly it.
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:01 am

Well I'm sorry for posting rumours without any technical knowledge....
but as I said before...don't shoot the messenger!
 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:31 am

Hernán... do you believe that silly rumour... yourself?? I wonder why those rumors so stupid are always anti-Airbus, especially anti-A343

The A340-300 is a wonderful aircraft for LAN, which make a lot of profit (and besides, cheaper than any 777). Am I wrong, then?
Again: The most suitable plane for them is the Airbus 340-300. No doubt!
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RE: LAN Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:34 am

LanFan About the three hours, false indeed, remember for instance the stop in LIM in the EZE-LAX route; it takes less that that time. About the brakes getting hot, there is actually a true base: failed takeoffs, they just burn... it has happened a couple of times here in SCL.

For LAN the most suitable long-haul aircraft is the A340-300. LAN doesn't need the 777's or the A346's...
Anxebla: this time we'll disagree, I think a 777 would suit better. It is known that the 343 has been unable to perform as expected in the SCL-MIA and SCL-MEX route, but you have a very valid and undeniable fact about the ETOPS and the route to Oceania... which would change after the 777LR that could even suit for a potencial destinations to NRT, SEL and SIN... LAN has always been very loyal to Boeing aircraft, so are their pilots, and economic issues, as posted, were key in the Airbus deal.

And God no! please keep us away of the 345 and the 346...But it's also true that LAN is very happy with the performance of the 320/319s.

... BUT I've heard this from a very good insider: not all the people in LA are happy with the 320s... and again nothing to do with performance (as in the case of the 340), but for financial issues: the leasing fee. Apparently, at the current price of the old 732s, the economic choise of the 320 sounds not that smart nowadays, and many people inside critizice that fact. About the 340? this guy told me nothing, but rumours inside LAN are many.

... more along the lines of the A340's general-inability to directly climb out over the Andes Cordillera whereas high-powered 777s can.
CBoy: not exactly. No commercial aircraft overfly Santiago and climbs directly The Andes. I've cross those mountains in both aircraft: 777 and 343 (and 727, 737, 767, etc) and I can tell you there's absolutely no difference in the path followed: all of them are demanded to climb towards the south, turn left and cross...

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Now as for the original topic: the deliver of the 2 343s remaining: as all the people know, the 340 original purpose was to replace the 763 in those golden growing years before 9-11. After that, although LAN never lost a single cent, the growing stimations felt down, and the deliveries were suspended, as well as the option negotiated for 14 more 340s...

The fifth one was supposed to be delivered in 2004, although it was delayed. The official version says that the aircraft will be delivered in Jun-Jul this year (it's actually needed with the frequency increase to Australia), but as posted, nothing for sure. The 6th was scheduled for next year.

Now the 777 ????

That's another story: LAN in my opinion is in the perfect condition for negotiating with Boeing. The strongest airline in the region and now a weakened Boeing (nothing like 1999). LAN will play that "pretty lady of the ballroom" and will hear proposals of both manufacturers. A 777 is a natural upgrade for the 767 and for me it would be a natural choise in 1999, but again, I think economical scenario is totally different now, so, although I think it's unlikely, there's a chance LAN will finally turn back and return to the Boeing way we all love  Big grin

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:52 am

Anxebla, don't think I'm anti Airbus. I've only flown once in an Airbus, an Alitalia A300 so I can't judge them. And again, I apologise for posting rumours.

... more along the lines of the A340's general-inability to directly climb out over the Andes Cordillera whereas high-powered 777s can.
CBoy: not exactly. No commercial aircraft overfly Santiago and climbs directly The Andes. I've cross those mountains in both aircraft: 777 and 343 (and 727, 737, 767, etc) and I can tell you there's absolutely no difference in the path followed: all of them are demanded to climb towards the south, turn left and cross...


Arcano, that's not completely correct. IB and LA's A340 enroute SCL-MAD don't head south and then turn left for crossing the Andes after take off. They head south, and then turn right and head north until I don't know where, and then they turn northeast for the Andes crossing. Although this is difficult to compare with a possible 777 fully loaded, as there are currently no 777s flying non-stop from SCL to Europe.
Also, we don't know if this different routing is due to the A340's lack of power and slow climb rate, or because they are heading non-stop to Europe therefore not having to detour to EZE or GRU.
 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:01 am

Yes, indeed, I was thinking in the EZE route, but it's true that flights to Brazil or Madrid does not turn left (actually, all flights heading north turn right).

But the point was another, no aircraft overfly Santiago and cross directly the Andes.

Thanks for the note.

Anxebla: the 340 is a profitmaker based in LAN passenger/cargo demand, not in the aircraft itself Maybe, a 777 could be more versatile than a 343, although I have now idea about the operation cost, you could be right that in long routes as MAD and AKL the Airbus could be cheaper... Anybody has a clue?

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:29 am

.NZ can't fly SCL and/or EZE due to they already have all 744's busy flying other routes-. A twin only can to do that leg (AKL-SCL/EZE) IF and only IF the ETOPS-330' regulation is approved. At the moment, any twin is unable to fly it.

No no no, I was referring to LA, not NZ. I thought of 7e7s/A350s to Europe/USA and A343s to AKL and on.

although I have now idea about the operation cost, you could be right that in long routes as MAD and AKL the Airbus could be cheaper... Anybody has a clue?

Not a clue about the operating costs, but the 777s are ETOPS restricted to AKL so, at least for now, LA has to fly A340s to Oceania. OR, they could get some MD-11s Big grin Can you imagine them in LA colors? Beautiful!!

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:39 am

The A343 AFAIK has a slightly lower operating costs on most missions (i dont know how the hot climate and sudden climb would effect it), but the 777 is larger, can handle a higher payload and may resultingly be more profitable.

I'd be suprised if they did get the 777 in the end (it seems a lot of hassle)....but not shocked.
 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:48 am

t>he 340 is a profitmaker based in LAN passenger/cargo demand, not in the aircraft itself Maybe, a 777 could be more versatile than a 343, although I have now idea about the operation cost, you could be right that in long routes as MAD and AKL the Airbus could be cheaper... Anybody has a clue?<

The 777 has lower operating costs than the A340, and hauls more cargo. This is true on all routes. It also performs much better, which is very important at not just SCL, but MEX
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:01 pm

The 777 has lower operating costs than the A340, and hauls more cargo. This is true on all routes.

Well, on most routes.... but take a potential route like EWR-DEL, at this point, the pathetic quad would have a lower overall cost than the twin, despite the latter's typical performance advantages.
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:03 pm

....why the hell did I just post that  Confused
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:11 pm

Can you imagine them in LA colors? Beautiful!!

It would look more less like this:
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00002574
Gorgeous indeed.

Although after reading the last reply I do think the 777 fits better than the 343 to LAN (Etops aside), I still think it's unlikely the chage. No matter what deal Boeing would offer (if so), Airbus will match the deal, because it would be terrible marketing to have a carrier that tried a 340 and drop it for the 777... that is not affordable for any manufacturer!

Let's cross fingers. Go LAN 777 !!!

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:45 pm

It took a personal trip by Foregard to Santiago and a last minute and significant price reduction to swing the deal in the 340's favor.

No matter what deal Boeing would offer (if so), Airbus will match the deal...


Also, Foregard phoned Iberia fullfilling their terms on asset guarantees and engine maintenance, so Airbus edged 777s out at the last moment. That's another well documented history that lead to:

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele.pl?prod=13816&session=dae.7843661.1105674099.Qec-c8Oa9dUAAG-Za6E&modele=jdc_1

Anyway, though improbable, LAN Cripple 7 would look great...

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:51 pm

>but take a potential route like EWR-DEL, at this point, the pathetic quad would have a lower overall cost than the twin, despite the latter's typical performance advantages.<

Only because of the mountain restrictions.

>....why the hell did I just post that<

Why are you asking me?
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:09 pm

because it would be terrible marketing to have a carrier that tried a 340 and drop it for the 777...

...again!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:33 pm

"For LAN the most suitable long-haul aircraft is the A340-300."

Maybe yes, maybe no. As you correctly point out, LA certainly needed them at the time to fly Oceania routes. Does that make the A343 the most suitable airplane for LA? Not necessarily. LA seems to make a profit with the A343, but with the 777's better payload/range capability, they could do better with the 777. Only the airline's techinical experts could give us a definitive answer. With the introduction of 330 ETOPS, the A343's seemingly only obvious advantage at LA will be gone. . .

OTOH, I agree whole-heartedly that the thrust-reverser issue has little if anything to do with LA's interest in replacing the A343. This is certainly the first and only time I've heard of it, and like I said earlier, I've heard of LA's interest in the 777 for over 2 years now.


"If LAN did decide to go with the 777 and replace their A340s, what would happen to the A319s and A320s?"

Nothing. Many successful airlines fly Airbus short-haul, and Boeing long-haul, or vice versa. Remember that LA has a substantial fleet of 767's, which they had before acquiring A32X's, and which they continue to operate and acquire more of, even after the A343's.

"I wonder why those rumors so stupid are always anti-Airbus, especially anti-A343"

Really? So every rumor on this thread is anti-Airbus? That's news to me.
As to the anti-A343, all I gotta say is, 'Where there's smoke, there's fire.'


"The official version says that the aircraft will be delivered in Jun-Jul this year"

Won't happen unless it's used. Current published production schedule doesn't see an open L/N until @ November or December.

"The A343 AFAIK has a slightly lower operating costs on most missions (i dont know how the hot climate and sudden climb would effect it), but the 777 is larger, can handle a higher payload and may resultingly be more profitable."

Precisely. Also, the 777 has generally lower mx costs as well, but that will vary accordingly by airline.

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:42 pm

Take this for what it is worth, but according to their Form 20-F, availabe at:
http://www7.lan.com/files/compania/lanchile/informes_2003_final.pdf

Under their fleet information is says:

...and the A340s will complement our 767 in our long haul operations.
Page 33

In their discussion of their fleet, they state there is flexibility in their Airbus contract, but that has to do with switching model types and not outright canceling the order.

Of course, LAN wouldn't be obligated to discuss details had it entered into discussions with Boeing for the 777, but the Form 20-F is so detailed, it would certainly insinuate it to some extent.
 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:10 pm

If LAN did decide to go with the 777 and replace their A340s, what would happen to the A319s and A320s? They'd be the only Airbus aircraft in the fleet.

And ?  Confused

A lot of airlines cleverly keep aircraft from A an B in their fleet, based on the best performing aircraft (for their specific missions) in each category.

It seems quite useful if you want to have good deals from manufacturers:
the pressure an airline can put on A (for example) by saying it will buy B aircraft is higher if the airline is already operating B aircraft.

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:59 pm

Sorry, but from all I read here that seems to be a Virgin case. Everybody knew they were going for the 777 and then....

I do not think LAN will replace aircraft that are relatively new by more expensive planes, while operating costs offer only a marginal advantage. Economically it simply does not make sense.

But I must admit that a 777 would look stunning in the LAN livery.
 
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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:15 am

Hasn't LAN just opened a route between SCL and PEK due to a new trade agreement between Chile and China. Surely this route would be ideal for the 777LR.

Also, someone mentioned earlier that the A340-500 would be a good option. I very much agree, but we must assume that LAN have already ruled this aircraft out as there has so far been no mention of it amongst the internal rumours. Perhaps its not the technical performance that LAN is disappointed with, it could be poor performances with the airframes themselves. Perhaps LAN wants to improve cabins, cargo space, etc. Whilst the A345 is certainly longer than the A343 and has a longer range, it's airframe and other characteristics are the same and it is the A340 model that LAN is unhappy with.

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RE: Lan Chile A340 Fleet

Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:39 am

Hi Ricardo

No, LAN hasn't started direct operations to Asia, they just announced codesharing with CX and KE for Asia.

They said also that it's unlikely to start direct operations to these destinations before 2010... but who knows, it would be great to see 777 wings in LA colors arriving in Japan, Korea or China...

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