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America West Applies For LAX-MEX

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:28 am

America West has joined American Airlines, Alaska Airlines, and Continental Airlines in applying for Los Angeles-Mexico City service. Only one airline will get the route authority, possible since Delta is ending service on the route this month:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=311224&docketid=20096
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RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:08 am

That's a pitty that only one airline will get this route. This route can support any number of flights. I think that in a couple of years, CO will have at least 15 Mexican destinations from LAX.
 
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RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:11 am

Wow even more competition. I am really curious to see who will get it. AS has a little hub to Mexico going from LAX, and really started a trend of offering more LAX-Mexico service, but all of AS' routes are to leisure destinations. HP and CO are relative new comers, so it will be interesting to see who gets it.
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RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:22 am

>but all of AS' routes are to leisure destinations.<

I would not consider GDL a tourist destination. Perhaps a VFR destination on one hand, but it is also one of the biggest business cities in Mexico

>HP and CO are relative newcomers, so it will be interesting to see who gets it.<

Um, an 80 year old airline and a 23 year old airline are really not newcomers, and both have served LAX for a very long time, CO longer than AS. Both have a presence in Mexico, with CO serving more cities than any other US carrier. Both have a presence at LAX as well, though mostly hub flights.
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RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:33 am

>HP and CO are relative newcomers, so it will be interesting to see who gets it.

Prior to CO's bankrupcy and the Frank Lorenzo era in the 1980s, Continetal was one of LAXs largest carriers. While they have not been a player in the market for sometime now, they do have traditional ties to the area, and I'm glad since they are healthier than most legacy carriers that they seem to be making a push back into LAX.

 
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RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:49 am

I'll always wish America West luck since my girlfriend works for them, but HP has a snowball's chance in hell of getting this route.

Why?

  • They already serve MEX from their PHX hub

  • They have precisely zip to offer for connections that they can't already do via PHX

  • AS and AA offer much more connectivity at LAX


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    RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

    Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:06 am

    Ok, I take what I said back, but CO and HP have not served LAX-Mexico routes for very long. They may have in the past, but as of now, their primary hubs serve as the points of origin for their Mexico flights. They just recently are adding up more flights out of LAX to Mexico. I have never really understood AA at LAX. They seem to have an interesting array of destinations from LAX and kind of compete with UA.
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    Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:00 am

    I have never really understood AA at LAX.


    Neither do I. They seem to have no plan and just a hodgepodge of destinations in different geographic areas. They have also started and stopped service to many odd destinations from LAX the last few years.
     
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    RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

    Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:32 pm

    "I have never really understood AA at LAX."

    LAX has always been a stong O/D performer for AA. The purchase of Reno Air was an attempt to not only bolster it's position in traditionally stong West Coast O/D markets, but to add a level of connectivity that previously had been lacking.
    The original goal was to (1) tie the (then) existing long-haul and hub services, to (b) a fairly broad slate of short-haul (AA mainline and Eagle) services, and (c) expand international services through it's own and codehare flying. If you look at a timetable, AA has more international codeshare destinations @ LAX than any other hub or gateway.
    Creating this network would be an attractive selling point for business travelers, shippers, corporate travel contracts, and partner carriers in Los Angeles and abroad. Plus, AA felt compelled to stanch the diversion of market share to UA as a result of UA's buildup at LAX (and SFO, for that matter).
    Unfortunately, post 9/11/01 made a lot of the short-haul flying on the West Coast untenable. AA's CASM vs. yields derived, the reduction in business travel (individuals as well as corporate), and fewer higher yielding pax connecting from international long haul spelled the end of the short haul, AA mainline element in the connectivity equation.
    What we see today is a service pattern that has transitioned back to it's O/D emphasis - but largely avoiding O/D's with a strong LCC element. Even if UA were to disappear, I believe AA would resume most of the dropped short-haul (OAK, PHX, et al) with AA Eagle at most.
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    RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

    Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:44 pm

    HP on this route doesn't make much since. They do have some services out of LAX but it's all on the CR9's with their express partner. What would they use on this trip? 319?

    AA only has service to SJD from LAX at this point in addition to their codeshares with MX. I feel they should have to build up their presence there prior to flying MEX. They used to go to GDL on an overnight flight but that was cut.

    CO does have an extensive route system to Mexico, and now that they have added service to LAX in addition to all their service out of IAH, perhaps they are trying to build LAX back up? Anyone have any thoughts on this?

    Personally, I'd like to see AS get this route!! I have a friend that works for them, and they all have been wanting this for a very long time as well as full fair paying passengers who do go to GDL and take long weekends to their resort destinations. I think it will be a great fit for them to pick this up, and now they are code sharing with DL as well. They have a very extensive route network to Mexico out of LAX: SJD, MZT, PVR, IXTAPA, [airport code?], MANAZNIILO [airport code?], CUN, GDL. I believe they also just added weekend trips to Loreto? I feel they would also offer full inflight service on this route too [full meals instead of snacks].
     
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    RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

    Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:41 am

    Laca... Also don't forget we are starting Loreto from Los Angeles. We fill be serving 8 city's in Mexico, not including if we get the MEX. Alaska has 2 chances to get this actually. If AA gets the flight then we can codeshare on the route.

    Anyone know when they would announce the carrier that is awarded the route?

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    RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

    Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:46 am

    Alaska has 2 chances to get this actually. If AA gets the flight then we can codeshare on the route.

    Technically three, since CO also codeshares with AS - so if it's awarded to CO, AS can still codeshare on it.

    AS definitely makes the most sense though. They offer far greater connectivity at LAX than HP, AA or CO do, and since AS codeshares with BOTH AA and CO, those carriers still benefit from AS being awarded LAX-MEX.

    If awarded this service, Alaska's Mexico routes will be:

    LAX-SJD
    LAX-PVR
    LAX-MZT
    LAX-GDL
    LAX-ZIH
    LAX-ZLO
    LAX-CUN
    LAX-LTO
    LAX-MEX

    Nonstop service out of LAX on AS metal alone would be (not counting other connecting opportunities on QX from LAX/SEA/PDX):

    LAX-SEA
    LAX-SFO
    LAX-PDX
    LAX-DCA
    LAX-ANC
    LAX-RNO

    And that's before even taking AS codeshares to AA and CO's system into consideration, with LAX-MIA, LAX-IAH, LAX-DFW, and LAX-ORD nonstops plus connection to all their points beyond.

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    RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

    Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:55 am

    >I have never really understood AA at LAX. They seem to have an interesting array of destinations from LAX and kind of compete with UA.<

    AA also has a loyal FF base in LA, particularly in the entertainment industry. In fact, many people in LA have UA, AA and WN FF memberships. They rely on strong O&D and very, very good Trans-con frequency at the airport, as well as some international.

    >They offer far greater connectivity at LAX than HP, AA or CO do<

    HP and CO, yes, AA no. AA has a far bigger operation at LAX than AS, and that does not even include Eagle Flight
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    RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

    Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:07 am

    HP and CO, yes, AA no. AA has a far bigger operation at LAX than AS, and that does not even include Eagle Flight

    Now consider that the vast majority of AA's lift to/from LAX are JFK nonstops, and that AS codeshares to every AA Eagle flight out of LAX and suddenly the picture looks a lot different.
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    RE: America West Applies For LAX-MEX

    Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:43 pm

    I would think LAX would have a lot of O&D pax to MEX. I wasn't suprised to learn that HP bid for it. Our LAX flights do very well. The new nonstop to ACA is doing very well so far.
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