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Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:30 am

Singapore's SALE Mulls Plans To Buy Additional Aircraft

Lee's comments follow a Straits Times report Thursday that said SALE is looking to buy between 30 and 50 new aircraft, and that it is already evaluating proposals from Airbus (ABI.YY), Boeing Co. (BA) and Brazil's Embraer for single- aisle planes with more than 100 seats.

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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:40 am

I would suggest that Boeing send some of it's best 737 salespeople on the next flight from SEA to Singapore....Smaller versions of 737 would be good for them, as well documented throughout the world.
 
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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:43 am

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Well, I was kind of hoping that Boeing would have a 717 sales guy over there, just a wish & a dream.....
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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:43 am

And why not try to help the great folks in Long Beach with a 717 proposal, which by their own marketing, is the best 100 seat aircraft in the world!!
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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:58 am

Expect an order for Embraer 190/195s... Likely the best positioned and most economic planes in the 100-seat category. Both the 737-600 and A318 clearly lose out here - and another lessor order here won´t change fortunes for these planes. And the 717... well, no need to keep this line going. Just shut it down.
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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:35 am

Airtran likes the 717, so does Midwest. It is a fine aircraft that needs to be priced aggressively for this order; but I do think that it is a losing proposition to float the 737-600. The A-318 is not good for the same reasons. I see it as between the EMB190 and the 717 for those reasons. Even if Boeing loses money on the 717 on this one order, it is needed to keep the line open and for PR. Besides Airtran will order more in the future, I think they have 6 left to recieve.
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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:32 am

Why would a low cost airline operate those Embraers, especially in Asia?

My bet is the 737NG series or even more likely, the A320 series, because SilkAir already operates them. A LCC in Asia needs capacity and comfort, even on longer flights. Nothing against RJs. But they are simply not suited for the mass market or LCCs.

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Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:17 am

Boeing reps are already in Singapore.
 
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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:31 am

....and reps from Airbus are down there as well Big grin
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Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:38 am

SALE is an Airbus client already, but diversification would be a good idea if they want to expand.

My money would be on Embraer grabbing this one with their hot new products.

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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Orde

Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:45 am

I believe SALE will most likely buy from more than one manufacturer. They only have 13 deliveries of A320 through to early 06, most of these are placed. Given that a few LCC have recently ordered A320 series in the region they'll need to at least order some more A320 series to ensure their portfolio can meet growth. So we could see this as part of the 50 frame order.

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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:51 am



SALE stands for Singapore Aircraft Leasing Enterprise.

 
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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Orde

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:34 pm

no - they are not an airline, but SQ owns a substantial stake (35.5%) with the singapore government (thorugh government companies) hold another 29%.

essentially SALE is singapore / SQ

from www.saleleasing.com:

SALE is jointly owned by four shareholders. Singapore Airlines and German bank WestLB each hold 35.5% of the company, while Singapore government investment agencies Temasek Holdings and GIC each have a 14.5% share.
 
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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:18 pm

Singapore Aircraft Leasing Enterprise, which is 35% owned by Singapore Airlines Ltd. (S55.SG), is evaluating plans to buy new planes amid surging demand from budget airlines and as it needs to replenish its stock of aircraft.

Whitehatter, to me it seems this order will be for "budget airlines". Hence the Embraers don't make sense in my opinion. Surely in Asia you could fill the 130 seats of an A319/737-700 use the budget business model.



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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:21 pm

Well, they won't be buying 717s, that's for sure.  Sad

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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:47 pm

I saw a video Q&A with senior exectuves from SALE about this order. The 35% that is owned by WestLB was only recently aquired by them from Boullioun Leasing. The executives said that given no cross shareholding will be retained by Boullioun that they will not be working as closely as they did in the past and this is another reason why they'll need to enhance the size of their leasing portfolio. I reckon we'll see pretty much a split order overall between Airbus and Boeing and from the way these guys were speaking we may see a few widebodies as well. But most definately an add on order for A32X series.

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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:51 pm

Whitehatter, to me it seems this order will be for "budget airlines". Hence the Embraers don't make sense in my opinion. Surely in Asia you could fill the 130 seats of an A319/737-700 use the budget business model.

It all depends where they are going to fly them.

Boeing reps are already in Singapore.

....and reps from Airbus are down there as well


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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:27 pm

One a/c is definitely out (latest news from rati):

"Boeing has confirmed it is to end production of its 717 aircraft next year, noting it will incur a pre-tax charge of approximately $340 million as a result of the decision."

Also see this thread http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1905651/

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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:32 pm

my guess is that they will go for Embraer.... its probably the best 100 Seater plane at the market at the moment
 
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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:53 am

My bet is the 737NG series or even more likely, the A320 series, because SilkAir already operates them.

I had to double check but I'm quite sure that all the articles state that SALE is looking for 100-seat aircraft... not for 135-seat aircraft.  Smile

A LCC in Asia needs capacity...

See above.

...and comfort, even on longer flights.

Let's see... the E190/195 have only 2-abreast seating, and the seats and aisle are wider than on the 73G and A320... could you explain just how this makes the E-jets... uncomfortable... particularly on longer flights?

Nothing against RJs. But they are simply not suited for the mass market or LCCs.

OK, I guess that B6 is NOT an LCC, or that AC is NOT a major airline.  Smile
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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Orde

Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:01 am

I think with the 717-200 now out of the picture, expect SALE to finalize an order for 30-50 Embraer 190/195 planes before this year ends. I think most of those Embraers will be leased to airlines in Indonesia who need to fly to all those smaller islands from Jakarta in addition to the larger single-aisle planes now used.

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RE: Singapore's SALE, Looking At A 100 Seater Order

Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:35 am

Aren't 717s gone for good, according to the other post?
So now that its gone, I'd agree that the E190/195 would be a frontrunner.

I can't really think of any other airliner in that 100 seat market, given the 320/73G both have over 100 seats.

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