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Trip Advice Please

Fri Mar 24, 2000 7:43 am

We have two options for flying to paris this summer. Please tell me which you would choose and why.

1.) Continental LAX-IAH (boeing-757)
IAH-CDG (boeing-777)

return: CDG-IAH (777)
IAH-LAX (757)

2.) AOM-french airlines LAX-ORY (DC-10-30)

return: ORY-LAX (A340-200)

Both of these options will be around the same price. My wife is leaning towards AOM because she wants to go on a plane with more than two engines. I've explained to her that it's not necessarily safer but she won't listen. Let me now what you think. Thanks,

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RE: Trip Advice Please

Fri Mar 24, 2000 7:58 am

Take Continental! Boeing planes are safer than anything else. Tell your wife not to worry. 2 engine planes can still fly with 1. I don't know about the A340 but I know that i would not get in a DC-10
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RE: Trip Advice Please

Fri Mar 24, 2000 8:01 am

I'd take AOM.

1. Continental is just another one of the boring megacarriers, and I have been on them, but I have not travelled with AOM.
2. With Continental you have to make a stop.
3. I have not been on the DC-10-30 or A340-200, both very interesting aircraft. 757s and 777s are pretty boring.
4. With AOM you get to fly into ORY, less used, less conjested airport then CDG (at least that's what I've been told).
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RE: Trip Advice Please

Fri Mar 24, 2000 8:11 am

Well we have 3 very safe aircraft to choose from, and two very good carriers. The 777-200IGW is state of the art and seeing that it is operating with CO less than two years old. It has proven itself to be the 300 seater of choice over the A330/340 and MD-11. Twin engined aircraft are just as safe as quads. ETOPS is always followed so explain to your wife that their is no difference. In fact twins undergo more strenuous maintenance examines before an ETOPS flight than quads do. The A340-200 is also new but not as new as the 777-200IGW. Flies slower so the flight will take longer. The DC-10 is the oldest of the bunch and will most likely look it. It will also get you across the pond but being close to 25 years old I wonder about a maintenance delay or what condition the cabin will be in. Continental is a top notch carrier with great aircraft. I don't know much about AOM but that they are French and not that large. They are replacing their DC-10s with A340-200s at the present moment. I would say that Continental is the better of the two choices. Great service, great plane, faster flight time and very comfortable seats.
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RE: Trip Advice Please

Fri Mar 24, 2000 8:16 am

I would take the Continental route with the 757s and the 777s. Have fun on your trip!

Air France

Fri Mar 24, 2000 8:24 am

I found it funny that some one said that Boeing is safer but we are not going to get into that now.
I would go AF you get to go on a 747-400 they have 2 flights a day and a lot of there pilots come into my store and a really nice blokes! One even offered me a trip so I could jump seat!
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RE: Trip Advice Please

Fri Mar 24, 2000 9:34 am

Personally, I would stick with Continental as well, but I would try to get an LAX-EWR (Newark)-CDG routing over a stop at IAH. It'll knock of at least a couple of hours in flying time. A few people I know have flown AOM and didn't have many good things to say about it.
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RE: Trip Advice Please

Fri Mar 24, 2000 9:44 am

Thanks for all of the replies! The reason why i listed these two airlines is because they will provide us with the lowest fare. (we are in college and funds are limited) I'm kind of leaning towards Continental. I think it would be fun to have a stopover somewhere, and going on the 777 would be awesome. I usually fly on Air France's 747's when i go to visit family in Paris, but their lowest fares are 200 bucks more than CO and AOM. Keep the posts comin'
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RE: Trip Advice Please

Fri Mar 24, 2000 10:36 am

Well, I'll give you two different answers:

1) For myself, I would take AOM because I have a fondness for DC-10s and would like to take another ride or too before they're out of service.

2) If you don't care about DC-10s though, for sure you should take the 777. It is much more modern and the interior is likely to be a lot more comfortable. I don't know if Continental has the PTVs, but if they do that is yet another plus. My guess is that your wife would be very impressed by the 777 compared to the DC-10-30.
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Go With AOM

Fri Mar 24, 2000 10:42 am

As much as I dislike the DC-10 historically, it's a nice idea to travel on something which you might never get the opportunity to do so again. The 777 and A340 will be around for the next 30-40 years. Probably the very same ones. You may be students now, but you'll both be retired before the 777 and A340 is phased out of service.
I know nothng of AOM other than it is a charter line based in France. It's probably a good charter line. The French don't tolerate substandard entities as many other nations do. They're usually pretty fussy.

As far as the twin-engine thing goes, make your wife understand that airliners don't crash because an engine dies. They crash for a myriad of reasons, but not because they lose engine power. Engine power is not required to fly. It's only needed to get you to your destination in time. In your case, engines simply get you to France. Without all the engines working, you must land before you get to France, or you go on to France, but at a lower altitude. But you will land either way.

Much better things to fear are:

-explosive fuel tanks
-wayward missiles
-suicidal pilots
-jammed rudders
-arcing wires
-suitcase bombs
-faulty cargo doors
-inflight fires
-worn elevator screwjacks
-inflight collisions
-severe turbulence
-bad food

The full list is quite long and terrifying. But engines aren't on the list.

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Go With AOM

Fri Mar 24, 2000 10:25 pm

not because of the airline but because of the DC10-30!!!!! they wont be around for long time so fly them!

have a good trip!

P.s CO's 777 is great but you can fly it later!
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RE: Trip Advice Please

Fri Mar 24, 2000 11:34 pm

Go for CO. If you go to AOM's website, you will notice that the DC-10-30's all have a 3-4-3 seating configuration in Economy. The usual is a 2-5-2 configuration. With a 3-4-3 they are cramming an extra seat in there and that means smaller seats for such a long flight. Not to mention that the 777 is so much more awesome to fly on. I have taken several DC-10 trips as well as 777 trips, and for a flight from Houston to Paris, I would prefer the comfort more than the experience. Save the DC-10 flight for something like a United DC-10 to Chicago or something. On a 10 hour flight home, you will be glad you went with the 777.
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RE: Trip Advice Please

Sat Mar 25, 2000 1:16 am

I know that you stated the reason for using CO or AOM was cost but if you can find an Air France price that is close to their price I would take Air France. They have direct LAX-CDG 747-400 service. Their service is great, food fantastic and the 747-400 is a very comfortable aircraft, they are usually on time and your wife doesn't have to travel across the pond on a twin. So, even if AF's price is a little higher I would go with them.
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Ben88 I Did Some Searching For You.

Sat Mar 25, 2000 2:00 am

I did some searching for you. Now, I don't know the prices that the travel agent is telling you but here are some of the prices that I found using two reservation systems.

Air France: LAX-CDG Roundtrip = 546.26

Continental: LAX-IAH-CDG Roundtrip = 1444.26

British Airways: LAX-LHR-CDG Roundtrip = 566.82

I could not get AOM because well, I don't speak French.
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