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Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:47 am

With the Southwest/ATA codeshare giving Southwest a foothold actuall yinside New York City for once at LGA, will this affect their ISP flights at all?

I would think that now having the ability to connect and go to LGA, closer to the city, would DRASTICALLY affect flight to Islip.

Will we see a change in ISP's route structure from Southwest in the fiuture because of this?

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RE: Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:58 am

Well, it's not as if people from the west are driving east past both JFK & LGA to fly Southwest from ISP. Every airport has its niche, especially in New York. LGA & EWR is mostly for business travelers because these airports are easier to get to and from Manhattan than JFK. Like ISP, JFK (with the help of Jet Blue) is banking on leisure travelers who aren't willing to spend an arm & a leg to have some fun in sunnier and warmer destinations. I'm not saying that JFK & ISP don't handle any business passengers, but the majority is leisure.

As far as Southwest current codesharing flights, from the list I've seen, it's all destinations that Southwest does not currently fly to but ATA does.

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RE: Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:11 am

There shouldn't be any material impact on WN's ISP flights, maybe EXTREMELY minor cannibalization at the margins at worst.

You might get a handful of folks who live in western Nassau county who'd rather go to LGA than ISP, and the occasional Long Island resident who works in Manhattan and might go directly to LGA from the office rather than going to ISP from home. That's pretty much it.

WN's service at ISP appeals solely to the Long Island O/D market - ISP is way out of the way for anyone west of Nassau County, especially when there are plenty of other low-fare choices: a certain blue airline at JFK (and LGA for service to FLL), FL is at LGA and EWR, Spirit is at LGA, Song's at all three airports, AA out of LGA is very competitive on flights to Florida, and so on.

(That's not a knock on WN, btw - the Long Island O/D market is a very lucrative market to cater to, and WN made a very sound decision to go into ISP when they did. It's just difficult to appeal to anyone in NYC, NJ, etc. from ISP. WN's presumptions from day one had this built in. I've never seen an ad for WN in Manhattan. They might have them at Penn Station aimed at the LIRR commuters, but that's it.)

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RE: Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:15 am

Here is a question for you!

ATA's flights are listed on Orbitz
SW is not

Will SW Codeshare flights be listed on Orbitz and its competition if they involve SW?
 
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RE: Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:09 am

"WN's service at ISP appeals solely to the Long Island O/D market"

I disagree. There are alot of people who are either loyal Southwest passengers or people seeking cheap fares to NY who are willing to fly to the rinkydink airport in Islip. I know ISP caters to a lot of Long Islanders, I still think that at LEAST 25% of passengers that land there are NYC-bound and would much prefer the LGA flight.

I wouldn't be surprised if Southwest almost hid ATA as an option in this market to keep their ISP investment worthy.

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RE: Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:46 am

rinkydink

when was the last time you were at this "rinkydink" airport? It's actually quite nice now.

I didn't know that WN was coming to LGA. When they do, I don't think they will have much service as they just announced 4 more gates at ISP, in addition to the new $55 million dollar terminal they just built.
 
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RE: Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:03 am

Joe Southwest isn't starting LGA, they will have a codeshare with ATA because of their recent investment in the airline. As for ISP I doubt their code share with ATA will have any affect on ISP. Their investment in ISP is a clear signal they beleive ISP is a growing market, which it is.

ATA is only code sharing the following destinations with Southwest out of LGA connecting in MDW... Albuquerque, Birmingham, Houston Hobby, Jackson (Miss), Kansas City, Las Vegas, Little Rock, LA, Oakland, Oklahoma City, Omaha, Ontario, Phoenix, St. Louis, San Diego, Seattle, Tucson, and Tulsa. None of these cities with the exception of LAS compete with Southwest's current routes out of ISP.
 
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RE: Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:11 am

I still think that at LEAST 25% of passengers that land there are NYC-bound and would much prefer the LGA flight.

Then why would these people be flying into ISP?

There are 3 other airports to choose from that have the exact same low fares - if not lower - and more flights and airlines to choose from...

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RE: Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:27 am

OHHHH....lol I thought that WN was coming to LGA. I forgot all about that codeshare with ATA. Sorry.
 
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RE: Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:38 pm

WN's codeshare with TZ into EWR and LGA will not effect the North-South traffic at Islip since the only codeshare flights are West to Chicago Midway.

That being said Im sure that WN's codeshare into LGA will pick off alot of potential East-West traffic that would have gone to Islip or even JFK (B6), Las Vegas, Phoenix, LAX, OAK, SEA etc..
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RE: Southwest Codeshare - LGA Vs. ISP?

Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:43 pm

I still think that at LEAST 25% of passengers that land there are NYC-bound and would much prefer the LGA flight.

I think that's a VERY generous estimate. There is some overlap, mainly Nassau county, but ISP and LGA/JFK really serve different markets. ISP still has lots of potential--there are over a million people for whom it is the most convenient airport, hence its impressive growth--but it's really too far from Manhattan to be on most people's radar screens here, so to speak. ExFATboy is right about advertising--they've got ads all over the LIRR, but I've never seen anything aimed at city residents. After all, it's quite a schlep on the LIE to exit 600 or whatever...  Big grin

But seriously, I really don't think this will have an adverse effect on WN's operations at ISP--not only because ISP primarily serves a different market, but also because there is virtually no potential for further growth at LGA, so I don't expect to see flights from there to anywhere but MDW in the near future.
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