padcrasher
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European/ USA Industry Pay Rates

Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:40 am

Could anybody give us some examples of approximate top out rates for major European airlines in ground support positions? For instance at Delta with the new pay cuts a ramp agent or ticket agent or reservation agent would make roughly $41,000 per year. A mechanic roughly $64,000 per year. Is this comparable to what LH/BA/AF pay?



 
MATTHEWKH
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RE: European/ USA Industry Pay Rates

Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:46 am

Are Delta employees still really making that much? What kind of senority are we talking about there?
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padcrasher
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RE: European/ USA Industry Pay Rates

Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:47 am

Delta has a 8 1/2 to 10 year top out. Longer than most carriers.
 
TW741
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RE: European/ USA Industry Pay Rates

Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:54 pm

Cant tell you regarding LH/BA/AF - can only give you a rough indication for Austria:
Ticket Agent around EUR 28000 gross, same for a ramp agent per year.
Mech people around 35000 EUR/year gross.
Depends on seniority.
Flight Attendants with OS Group usually start at EUR 24000 gross/year, withn "FlyNiki" HG around EUR 21000 gross/year.

Dont be too shocked now - the big difference is our system of taxation as well as social security. When you deduct about 30% of the gross then you have fully paid for income tax, pension funding, health insurance and unemployment insurance. So the Ticket Agent has around 1400 EUR/Month net 12 times plus 2 additional salaries paid end of June and end of November (those are called "holiday-" and "christmas remuneration").
Still the salaries are quite low but I would call them average. In addition airline employees have the usual benefits from working with airlines like travel benefits for themselves and their families, sometimes free travel to the workplace with company busses or do get very cheap tickets for the public transport, and so on. In addition people have 5 weeks (35 days) paid holidays per year plus at least 6 public holidays per year bringing holiday to a total of minimum 40 days/year.
Working on sundays/public holidays (which is usual for airline employees) mean 100% overtime payment plus the time you have worked 100% additional compensated as free time.

Hope this helps - at least what the situation in Austria is. Germany (LH) is not too much different from the social background - the salaries will be higher - but someone from Germany can answer this question better....

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RE: European/ USA Industry Pay Rates

Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:51 pm

For instance at Delta with the new pay cuts a ramp agent or ticket agent or reservation agent would make roughly $41,000 per year

Which airline is that?.....Having Worked myself in the US for several years, I can remember that Airline Res positions start at $6.50-$9.00 per hour!

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padcrasher
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RE: European/ USA Industry Pay Rates

Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:01 am

Thanks TW741. Yes those benefits sound much better. There is a 50 cents extra per hour for working nights, but no extra anything for working weekends.
Vacations start at two weeks per year w/10 holidays, but you must work 10 years before you build up to 5 weeks vacation which is the maximum.
Also with the Dollar so low vs the Euro the compensation sounds about the same.

AMS

the wages I noted were top level pay after 8 1/2 years with the company. Start out pay is what you mention.

 
TW741
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RE: European/ USA Industry Pay Rates

Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:10 am

@Padcrasher - totally forgot about working during night - of course this is also paid on top of the normal salary - from 8pm to 10pm you get some add-on (I think 25%) and between 10pm and 6am (the "real nightshift") I think it is 50% add-on, but not so sure about the percentage.
I know that you start with very limited vacation - for us here you get the full 35 days vacation from the very beginning you start entering your working life. But it is also the maximum.

The big difference to the US is the better social security system - you do have higher salaries compared to us but you also have to pay yourself costs for medical treatment, dentists, school for kids, whatever. When we need hospital treatment or even surgery its "free" - meaning - it is covered by our social insurance payment (plus the part the employer has to pay for each employee). For US citizens it often means going to their bankers and asking for a credit just to pay a needed hospital treatment unless you have a top medical/health plan.
Same with schools/education/university - generally its free.

So what we get paid less we do have some other incentives.
Overall the airlines in Austria (and aviation in general) is not high paid except - maybe as usual - pilots and top management  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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