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G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:58 am

Hello,

Just had a call from LGW. G-BXKD, a TCX 320 has left the left nose wheel on the runway after takeoff. I'm currently listening to the pilot who should be coming back in for finals anytime. Will update when I know more,


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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:01 am

Sheesh, sounds pretty serious  Wow!
Hope all works out well
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:03 am

OMG i hope they land safe!
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:07 am

Pilots killing time, trying to dump as much fuel as possible at the mo,

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:10 am

Whats his intentions, to circle for a few hours to burn all fuel?

Any chance of streaming the atc?


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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:12 am

"trying to dump as much fuel as possible"

He'll have trouble dumping it from an A320.... they don't have such a facility. Assume he's just burning it in the hold?
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:15 am

I'm listening to it on dxtuners.com.

I've been on this A320 as well, back in 1999. Poor guys.
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:15 am

Doesn't sounds too great! Keep us updated Sam!  Smile
 
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:16 am

Where was the flight scheduled to?, this will give us an idea of how much fuel he has to burn off.

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:18 am

Looks like the Plovdiv or Sofia...
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:19 am

He'll have trouble dumping it from an A320.... they don't have such a facility

Me bad. No updates currently,

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:20 am

If it is just the nosewheel hopefully they will be able to set it down with no harm to anything but the aircraft. I'm sure it's something they train for. Fingers crossed.

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:20 am

TCX162/163K according to MYT332 in the chat
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:21 am

Sofia, was Airbourne 14:35 according to baa.com
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:22 am

Yea TCX 163K.....

From BAA.com

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:22 am

I used to fly on that a/c when I worked for JMC (Same airline). Their training will be in force for a pre-meditated landing. They'll be preparing the cabin and pax's now for an emergency landing.
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:25 am

The clue would be to apply up elevator to keep the nose off the ground for as long as possible. Does anybody know how the fly-by-wire logic of the Airbus would work in this scenario? Could you just keep holding the sidestick aft like on a conventional aircraft, or would it be necessary to go into direct law or something?
 
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:28 am

I think it would already be in direct law once there is a weight-on-wheels condition. It's something Airbus will have certainly provided for.
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:31 am

Coming in on finals now.

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:36 am

The seriousness of this incident is largely dependant on whether they have left a tyre on the runway, which does happen from time to time, or whether they have lost the nosewheel - which is almost unheard of.
 
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:38 am

Landed! Runway 08R/26L are now closed for a while,

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:41 am

OK down and being towed onto stand.

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:41 am

Thank god its down safe a bit if a tense moment there.
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:45 am

if it went that smooth was it only half the nosewheel then?

or was it just a piece of the nosewheel?

couldn't have been that smooth with bare metal could it?
 
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:46 am

Burst nose wheel tire I think.

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:20 am

Very likely that the other tire burst due to the overload on landing, having to bear the weight usually divided among the two tires.

I'm very happy that no-one was hurt!

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:25 am

Understand they're now using 8L for arrivals/departures at LGW now?
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:32 am

How can I listen to Gatwick ATC through the net?
 
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:35 am

Ok, so as you know I listened to the Live ATC through DXtuners but since i'm nice I also recorded parts of it for you and hosted it.

So here it is...

Try be nice to my bandwidth!

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:35 am

Story has now just hit the media:

BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/southern_counties/4177989.stm

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4006102

The Thomas Cook plane, carrying 177 passengers, reported that its front wheel had fallen off soon after taking off from London Gatwick Airport at 2.35pm bound for Sofia in Bulgaria.

A spokeswoman for Gatwick Airport said the plane had now landed safely, but it wasn’t immediately clear whether there had been any casualties.


Glad everything seems to have ended safely.

Great job with the ATC clips Alex, not often that you get to hear that side of things.

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:31 am

The Thomas Cook Boeing 737 was flying from the West Sussex airport to the Bulgarian capital Sofia when the front wheel fell off early in the flight

Someone got their facts wrongs hehe


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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:38 am

Nice work from the flight and ground crew to get it down safely. It just shows that training does pay off.

Great ATC clips Alex

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:56 am

Hey,

I heard the planes had been diverted to Bournemouth, Is this true? What sort of airlines, Planes are here at Bournemouth? And when will they be gone?

Thanks

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:40 am

Alex -

Thanks for the clips of ATC! Much appreciated!

I don't get to hear things like that very often!
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:09 am

I went on this aircraft in 2003 on holiday! Poor plane.  Sad Glad to hear it wasn't a serious accident.
 
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:33 am

Woah, glad to hear it finished off safely..... I didn't know TC flew to Sofia..?
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:39 am

MYT332:

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:53 am

European, afaik no planes diverted.
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RE: G-BAKED Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:41 am

I am amazed everytime I see a post concerning landing gear. As a pilot I can honestly say losing any tire is about .001% of an emergency, and yes, I had a gear emergency myself, once as a pilot, once as a passenger, they were both non-events.

I also have a question for my UK friends. Why is the term called "finals", in the UK? There are many "English" English words that are much more succinct than our sometimes sloppy grammar in the US, but this term is not one of them. I am not bashing, just curious, I worked in Westminster and visit London often.

This term "finals" makes no sense in that you make a final approach to the airport, it is a singular activity. Why would the action be referred to in the plural?

I would like to know the origin of this term as in the US it is only referred to as "final".
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:33 pm

Glad to hear it landed safety and that all on board are safe.

My special thanks to MYT332 for providing the ATC link - was very interesting to listen to that!

Regards,

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:17 pm

Regarding "finals"...

I think that came from shortening "final approach". I grant you that adding an "s" isn't a natural progression, but it may sound more natural than just plain "final". Of course if you have a missed approach, well you do get another final.

Cabin annoncements usually refer to "final approach".
 
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:24 pm

Glad everyone's safe!
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:49 pm

Sam, thanks for with keeping us updated and getting those recordings !!!
AWESOME JOB !!!

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:57 pm

MartinairYYZ,

TCX as well as BY and other charter airlines do regular ski charters to Sofia (for Borovets Resort). On saturdays there can be about 6 charters into SOF from the UK alone (LGW, MAN, EMA BHX...) as well as the scheduled BA and FB flights.
 
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:06 pm

As a pilot I can honestly say losing any tire is about .001% of an emergency

Am I right in thinking that it's not normally one of the nose wheels you lose, but usually one of those that are on the main undercarriage?
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:14 pm

Sam, thanks for with keeping us updated and getting those recordings !!!

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:04 pm

Sam, thanks for with keeping us updated and getting those recordings !!!

Thanks, but credit also to Alex, he got the recordings. Anyway, sorry haven't been on, went out to a party. I heard it come in, was certainly interesting to listen to live! I had my fingers crossed!

On the train, I went past the end of the runway and yes 08L was in use for about 45 minutes afterwards. The aircraft was surrounded by masses of emergency vehicles. Contacted Dad, and he was going through a nightmare, having to shut a couple of stands on his pier (1) for the Northern runway to become active.

Stands 3, 9, 10 and 6 are not allowed anything 73G size or above, FR, BE, Aurigney or any other operater who use smaller aircraft on this pier are okay. FR on their favourite stand (10) with the old 732s is fine because the fin is smaller. 319's obviously then cannot use these stands in the situation such as last night, and with LGW being an EZY bus base, this causes havoc as Pier 1 is their pier!

Glad everyone was okay, great ATC clips, funny hearing them back and thinking I was rushing around my house getting ready, looking out of my window at every possible oppurtunity fingers crossed.

As for the term 'finals' it is used very commonly in the UK. Finals is when the aircraft in question is usually around 8 miles away, though sometimes they are even over the English channel for LGW!

Short finals is when the flaps are gear are fully extended, the aircraft is obviously closer to the airport, thus short finals,

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:48 pm

Correction to self, 08R was still closed at 10pm last night,

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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:32 am

Does anyone have any pictures of the scene? Thanks.
 
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RE: G-BXKD Leaves Wheel On Runway At LGW!

Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:18 am

I think photos are likely. Light was still around, just, when this incident occured. Also, Terry Wade, an ANET photogrpaher works in Gatwick Tower so if he was on shift then maybe there'll be a shot or two. Not sure if it will get much press coverage though, it not turning into such a major incident.

one of Dad's mates captured it all on hisvideo phone, supposed to be amazingly good so hopefully he will send it to Dad's phone and I will see it and find some way of getting it on here,

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