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Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:12 pm

Hi guys,

I recently noticed that most pictures of NH & JL 773ER outside Japan were taken in PVG, PEK & SIN.


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Do the Japanese carriers plan to fly those nice jets to Europe or for Trans-Pacific flights ?
So far I don't see the purpose of an ER version for routes to China & Singapore...

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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:39 pm

Increased cargo capacity and more fleet flexibility?
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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:45 pm

I think there are a couple of reasons that they are being used on regional routes first. First the long stage lengths of flights to North America and Europe necessitate more than one airplane per route to support regular scheduled service. I am not sure if either airline has taken delivery of enough B773ER to make this happen yet.

Second since the 773ER represents a new aircraft/engine combination, the airlines are not automatically authorized to operate the airplane in 180 minute ETOPS "out of the box." The type certification basis is not enough and the individual operator needs to demonstrate that the particular type is robust enough for the more demanding flights.

The 3 routes that Flying Belgian requires are not operated under ETOPS. It allows the companies to build up a service record and iron out any EIS bugs close to home base.
 
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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:26 pm

I think JAL is going to launch NRT-BOM non-stop with 777-346ER equipment.
Atleast heard this for a while now--Wonder when it will actually commence these services
 
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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:37 pm

JAL people correct me if I am wrong. But isn't JAL in the same seat with SQ and not wanting twins to fly trans-pacific? Or did I hear wrong?

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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:42 pm

maybe they had an aversion once , but seeing those 773ERs may well end up replacing many 744s in the future, they better get used to the idea!
maybe you are thinking of cathay?
 
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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:47 pm

As739x....

I don't think you have it quite right about SQ. They fly a 777 LAX-TPE, ICN-YVR and SFO-ICN.
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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:48 pm

I believe JAL flies B777-200ER to Hawaii already.
 
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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:49 pm

Phils....good point. Your correct. Maybe its just JAL I was thinking of.

sorry 545a in the morning and coffee has not kicked in!

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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:51 pm

Phils...stupid me. I ment CX doesn't fly the twins trans-pac.

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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:54 pm

Every time when JAL gets new international equipment they always break them in within Japan flying domestic routes..and then within Asia for equipment familiarization such as crew training and things that N79969 already mentioned.

These B777-300ERs may do well for routes such as NRT-SFO or NRT-ORD..or I wouldn't rule out any KIX-Europe routes..

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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:10 pm

I was mistaken. JAL does not operate B777 to Hawaii according to their timetable.
 
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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:03 am

N79969 is correct that the Japanese authorities do not grant ETOPS 180 or 207 'out-of-the-box.'
NH has a problem that it only one 773ER, so it really can't be used anywhere in its network outside of Asia. This spring it will take its second aircraft, so it will be interesting where those two will be placed. NRT-IAD being the likely rumor.
The JL 773ER will also find its place on transpac or trans-Siberian flights as its aircraft are configured for three-class service but again delivery is at a very slow pace or both airlines.

A newly updated delivery list for the 777s shows more than 10 773ERs going to Emirates this year while Air France will take over 10 in less than a year. A stark contrast to Japanese carriers adding only two a year, but then again they aren't replacing or growing drastically at the moment.
 
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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:26 am

JAL and NH have intentions to fly their 773ER to US , but like the earlier posts have said that they are working on to get their ETOPS. Most likely they will fly their 773ER to US after JAL received their 3rd 773ER in summer this year and NH getting one or two more 773ERs at least before flying to US.
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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:55 am

Actually, JAL does fly the 777 to HNL. It has just been used only on extra sections and charter flights. That's why it doesn't show up on the schedule. JAL also has starting flying the 767 to HNL as well, again only on charters for now. With the DC-10s due for retirement soon, the 777 and 767 will be the replacement aircraft on flights currently using the DC-10.



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RE: Future Routes Of NH & JAL 773ER?

Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:54 am

Thanks to you all for the contribution.

I wasn't aware JL & NH's delivery pace was slow compared to EK or AF.

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