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Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:10 pm

Last night, a ramper decided to drive a tug underneath N973RP in ORD. Unfortunately, the throttle guard on the tug sliced a 5 foot long gash from one side of the aircraft to the other. It looks like someone took a Skilsaw and chopped right through the fuselage. It's actually a nice clean cut, but from the looks of it, the internal structure was damaged as well. It's not a pretty site.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:18 pm

Unfortunately it's another case of ground personnel damaging an aircraft. These incidents appear to happen all to often. Although I don't know the exact circumstances, I think that ground should be more careful because an incident like this can put an aircraft out of action, and cause an operational headache.

However I realise it was most certainly an accident and I am NOT suggesting that ground crew are irrisponsible in any way.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:52 pm

Ouch....That is one of their 'blue tails' and former Axon Airlines aircraft. It's sad to say events like this happen way too often.
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:10 am

Who is/was Axon Airlines? Where did they fly?
 
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:14 am

Actually it wasn't a tug. It was a belt loader.
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:22 am

Speaking of Chautauqua..

Any inside info of the DL routes they will handle with the 170? And when are the 170s coming online for DLConn?
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:23 am

A short lived operator in Greece.
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:31 am

BALandorLivery: There wasn't anything to be careful about here, if it's true that the ramper drove the beltloader under the plane, he was just being absolutely 100% stupid. You're right, some accidents that happen are a result of carelessness, like denting the fuselage with a lav or catering truck, or bumping an engine with a beltloader... but driving a beltloader under the plane? I can only imagine what CHQ is going to do to him (well, besides fire him). All that happens in case of an accident is you have to go for a drug test and you're on paid suspension until the results come back.
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:18 pm

LOL....I cant believe I typed Tug not beltloader. That's what just coming off 3rd shift does to ya Big grin Anyway, the plane was in our hangar all last night getting some major sheet metal work done. They are working on it around the clock just to ferry it for a permanent repair. They had to put doublers on quite a few stringers, and who knows what else. I didn't have much time to look as I was changing out an IDG.
 
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Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:03 am

Actually, it was a ZW ramper, since ZW does all the UAX ground handling in ORD.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:33 am

Well, I guess that's what you get when you pay rampers 8.50 an hour. I worked Express for a while at ORD while I was furloughed and needless to say I was turning in my badge 2 weeks later. I hear from friends who are supervisors at ZW that it is a horse shi* operation with lay workers. (I dont speak myself, just telling you what I heard, so any ZW employees dont jump down my throat.)
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:04 am

Actually working on the ramp, I am SO surprised that there are not more accidents with aircraft and with other things than there presently are...

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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:04 am

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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:22 am

Just wondering UALramper, how much does mainline UA pay it's rampers to start...and $8.50 isn't what they start at for ZW ramp, it's more like $9.50. And if UA wouldn't come to us and tell us to cut more costs, maybe we could get better people on the ramp. Keep in mind that we took over the entire Express operation and have people with maybe a year or less experience, with new folks coming on every month...with what UA has given us to work with, I'd say we are doing a DAMN fine job.
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:43 am

I wonder if this means they'll paint it now...
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:06 am

I wonder if this means they'll paint it now...

I'd say no. The people I have talked with at CHQ love these aircraft in the blue tail as they can fly any line. It may fly Delta in the morning, American at noon and USAirways at night. I think they have two -145's and two -135's in those colors.
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:06 am

I agree that the ZW ramp/ops side of things at ORD is rather hectic. When we taxi planes over from the hangar in the morning, they give us conflicting gate information, etc. But there are a lot of new employees, and it will take time to get things up to speed. Also, as previously stated, UA's shoestring budget we have to work with isn't helping.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:03 am

Since were on the subject of UEX/CHQ.
What flight numbers on the United Airlines timetable indicate CHQ airlines ER4 flights? The timetable says all 7000-7999 flights are Atlantic Coast Airlines. But looking at the timetable ABQ-ORD flight numbers are 7736/7740 and Atlantic Coast Airlines doesn't operated ERJ-170s.
 
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RE: Chautauqua Aircraft Damage In ORD

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:18 am

Pensacolaguy: Since Atlantic Coast is no longer a United Express carrier, 7000-7999 series flight numbers have been reassigned to current United Express partners. I can't remember the ranges, but Trans States operates using flight numbers 8000-8199 I believe. Mesa operates the lower end of the 7000's (7000-7299 I beleive), with Shuttle America and Chautauqua operating using the rest of the numbers.

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