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Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:59 pm

Iberia which was supposed to start Beirut service in April of last year was for some reason delayed and then entirely canceled.

Well it is back again, this time starting on March 28 (a Monday).

The service will operate 3x weekly on Airbus A319-100s.

The service departs Madrid (MAD) on Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. It departs Beirut (BEY) on Tuesdays, Fridays, and Sundays.

IB 3785 will depart Madrid (MAD) at 11:45PM arriving at Beirut (BEY) at 5:45AM, flight time is 4 hours 30 minutes. IB 3759 will depart Beirut (BEY) at 6:45AM arriving at Madrid (MAD) at 11:00AM, flight time is 5 hours 15 minutes.

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It's good to see that Iberia is launching Beirut service again, but I wonder if it will be delayed and then canceled altogether like last year?

Anyone know why last year it kept being postponed until September, and then completely canceled?

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:33 pm

BA,

This is great news. Not sure the schedules are that convenient. But more flights to BEY during the summer are always needed.

Last year, if I remember correctly, they were planning to fly A320's...

Maybe they will upgrade the service during the sumer months.

Let's hope SN Brussels follows with three weeklies soon.
 
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:56 pm

Last year, if I remember correctly, they were planning to fly A320's...

That's correct.

Their A319s are much newer though.

Let's hope SN Brussels follows with three weeklies soon.

Personally, I don't care whether SN Brussels comes or not mainly because we already have Brussels service (on Syrian Air) and because SN Brussels' network is very weak not serving anywhere in North or South America.

I'd much rather have Swiss International Air Lines as they'd offer Zurich service, a route I desperately want, and are much stronger than SN Brussels even though nowhere near as strong and as big as their predecessor, Swissair.

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:48 pm

I hope this time IB will start the route for sure without any further delay,they will have a monopoly on MAD-BEY-MAD route.

I agree with BA, SN Brussels' service to BEY is highly unlikely and not convenient for onward connections.BTW, did Austrian resume its flights to Beirut yet?

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:07 pm

MEA310

I noticed in the current OAG World Airways Guide that Menajet have a once weekly (saturday) flight covering BEY-MAD-AGP-BEY. Is this operating?

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:18 am

Gentlemen,
It is always a pleasure that New companies will be serving BIA. Finally, BEY is on the map again Hope the airlines serving BEY in the future will reach the record level of companies serving BEY in the seventies.
However, I am sorry to say that this service will fail utterly. In this world where connecting passengers are an extremely sought after "merchandise" and O&D passengers are chinned over. Iberia clearly favors the latter part.
If Lebanese passengers went to connect to IB south American Service , they must clearly opt for another company. Who would like to sit at Barajas for more than 12 hours to connect to GIG, GRU and EZE since these flights are departing at 00.30, 01.45, and 23.40 (return flights have the same long waiting at MAd to connect to BEY). Most probably, it caters to wealthy Lebanese or Arabs wanting to connect to Marbella through AGP. To fly to south America , better fly with either AZ (MXP) or AF (CDG), both companies offer the quickest way to reach EZE and GIG from BEY.

Is the timing of these flights affected by slot constraints in BEY (to protect incumbent airline MEA), ? or there are other reasons.




 
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:57 am

MEA310,

Austrian has not resumed its service yet. It will start on May 17, with 3 flights/week, and increase frequence to daily as of June 14, lasting until 27 September.

ODAFZ,

the schedule is as ghastly as that of all other European carriers on the BEY route (with the notable exception of Air France and the odd Alitalia flight). For some of them the logic is one of offering early morning connections to other European destinations or to longhaul (clearly the case of LH, AZ and KLM), plus also the logic to use planes that otherwise would stand idly on the tarmac during the night. The transfer situation at MAD is not quite as bad as you depict it: arriving into MAD at 11h00, you can connect to the following flights:

- 11h50 IB 6275 MAD-ORD A343
- 12h00 IB 6845 MAD-EZE A346
- 12h05 IB 6123 MAD-MIA B743
- 12h30 IB 6403 MAD-MEX A34A
- 13h10 IB 6251 MAD-JFK A34A


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But I agree with you that onward connections to other European cities - as would be the case on LH, AZ, KL - make little sense. Geographically, what's the extension of a line from BEY to MAD? LIS? Or is there a lot a big Lebanese community in Pamplona?  Big grin

In any case, I wish them luck. BEY needs more colours, more airlines, more flights, more visitors!
 
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:50 am

During the summer, people will go out of their ways and catch those Iberia flights...

I think the flights should do well.

 
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:53 am

IB to Beirut, will they feed them on that flight or class it has long-European???
 
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:11 am

Growth at BEY really is impressive.

IB starting flights, once launched OS's flights will go daily in a short space of time, SU are going to daily. Also the links between Eastern Europe and BEY are significant.

Well done Beirut!

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:10 am

ODAFZ,

There are no slot constraints at BEY.

Almost all Europe flights arrive in Beirut late at night.

I have to admit that I have not heard of many positive things about Iberia, but as long as they offer affordable fares, I think they will do fine.

The Eastern European carriers, JAT, CSA, TAROM, and Malev all do well in Beirut not because there is a lot of demand to Serbia and Montenegro, Czech Republic, Romania, or Hungary, but because they offer very affordable fares and convenient connections throughout Europe.

I hear they especially attract connections to Paris since AF and MEA are expensive.

I agree that Iberia definately is probably the worst option to connect in Europe simply because of geographic location (you'd have to backtrack).

However they do offer lots of flights to South America as well as a few North America flights.

If connections are timed properly and fares are cheap, I think Iberia will do just fine.

I wish them the best of luck. It's good that Beirut has Spain service back.

StMawganE14,

That service is not operating anymore. It was a summer scheduled charter service for a Lebanese based tour operator called Nakhal.

MenaJet is currently operating 1x weekly BEY-CRL-SXF-BEY and 2x weekly BEY-ALP-BEY. Both services being scheduled charters operating for Nakhal as well. This is all they are flying at the moment.

Orion737,

According to Amadeus.net. There is a meal on the flight.

They definately would have to serve a meal.

Iberia's Beirut service will be the 2nd longest Europe route after London. It's only around 15 minutes shorter than London.

Horus,

Indeed! BEY service has been growing greatly over the years.

Between January and November 2004, the airport handled 3.07 million passengers breaking the 50% capacity mark (the terminal is designed for 6 million). In all of 2003, the airport handled 2.84 million so this is quite a jump!

Total 2004 passenger numbers are yet to be released, however December is a very strong month because of the Christmas season. I predict it will be somewhere between 3.1 and 3.2 million.

So growth has been really impressive.

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:12 pm

The Eastern European carriers recieve a lot of pax from Scandinavia as well. Usually this is the most direct path to Beirut, and it is about 2 hours shorter than going through Milan, Paris, or Frankfurt.

Its great to hear Iberia is planning to serve BEY. Last summer there was a shortage of flights in my opinion. This was apparent because of the high ticket prices to BEY. This summer however it looks like BEY will recieve much more traffic and flights, which in the end will bring BEY back to where it should be...on top.
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:35 pm

F Y I -

March 13th will see the "re-start", after a few years absence, between MAD and Moscow. IB will be flying into DME intstead of SVO(as I understand it DME is a much more modern airport). Should be interesting to see how that works out as well!!
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:38 pm

Iberia340600,

Glad to see Iberia back in Moscow.

Yes DME is a much newer and less used airport than SVO. DME is popular for domestic service within Russia.

Is BEY service confirmed this time or will it be postponed again and again and then eventually canceled like last year?

Any ideas why this happened last year?

Regards
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:02 pm

I'd really enjoy SN service on BRU-BEY anytime. There are not enough services between the two cities (1 weekly RB and now it seems MenaJet is operating 1 weekly CRL-BEY). SN can offer a good number of connections from BRU to key markets for the Lebanese e.g. France & Germany so a service wouldn't be that odd. Although it'd be involving some backtracking, it is nowhere near the backtracking at MAD.

I'm a bit surprised that the flight is not routed MAD-BCN-BEY since BCN would already offer a sweet connecting point that's not as offset as MAD.

I see a major issue in the seasonality of flights to/from BEY. Planes are always requested when it's the peak season all over the wider region (Europe-North Africa-Mediterranean-Near & Middle East-Gulf) and of less use during the traditional off-peak season. This hardly justifies sending planes at decent times which would require expanding fleets for most reasonably sized carriers.

I would really be curious to see the share for A to B combinations between BEY and the rest of the world. I.e. the ranking of traffic between BEY and e.g. YTO, BKK, JNB, EZE (you name it) independently from carrier and transit point.
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:02 pm

The Eastern European carriers, JAT, CSA, TAROM, and Malev all do well in Beirut not because there is a lot of demand to Serbia and Montenegro, Czech Republic, Romania, or Hungary, but because they offer very affordable fares and convenient connections throughout Europe.

Now that Star Airlines started a direct service between Paris & Beirut for 433$ roundtrip,I'm sure the Eastern European carriers will be somehow affected.Star is launching a 3x/week service & looking to increase it to 5x/week during the summer.

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:40 pm

What's the story on Beirut these days, is it safe for tourists (i.e., Americans)? Don't be offended; the conventional wisdom is that Libya is extremely dangerous. I wonder if that is at least partially false.
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:27 pm

Supa7E7

Refer to this thread,only a few days old

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/718500

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:45 am

Supa7E7...

Beirut is in Lebanon...not Libya!

 
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:04 am

Indeed Madrid is not an ideal connecting point for the rest of Europe, and with those flight times, not so great for onward travel to Brazil. I am really surprised that IB didn't make the flights connect to Brazilian services better, since this is a major IFR route (Lebanon to Brazil) and IB pride themselves on their services across the pond to S America.

However. Is it not possible that this service is in place to carry passengers from SPAIN to Lebanon? There is a real obsession on this forum about connections - whether it's Delta's NY base or A380 services in general. Delta doesn't need domestic feed from Dayton or Flint for it's trans-Atlantic flights from NY - the "feeder" service is provided by taxis, cars, buses and trains from the NY area. Ditto the A380 - idiots who work for Boeing (that exec with the blog) can ramble on about how pax prefer point-to-point (which I'm sure they do), but believe me an A380 flying from London to Hong Kong or Paris to Montreal will be flying pax from point-to-point, and I suspect Iberia will be doing the same with their flights between Madrid and Beirut.
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:48 pm

I don't think Iberia is targeting connecting traffic,their aim is to provide the first direct flight between Beirut & Madrid. During the summer season the traffic picks up quite well to Spain , especially that it is a tourist destination.
AF does a good job in connecting pax from BEY to S.America through CDG.

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:33 am

Does anyone know how large the Lebanese community living in Spain is? For some reason, I would think that it is not as high as that of France or the UK. Any ideas?

Also, with IB serving Beirut, how many airlines does that bring the total up that server BEY? Is this number the most that BEY has seen or was it higher back in the 70's?


Thanx

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:09 am

Jesus Christ!!! If you really have to fly Iberia, why fly to Beirut of all places..?! Big grin
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:37 am

Anyone want to take a guess at my questions in reply #21?

Cheers,

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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:11 pm

Jesus Christ!!! If you really have to fly Iberia, why fly to Beirut of all places..?!

What is that supposed to mean?

TLIMA

The current number of airlines serving BEY is well above 45 airlines I believe,not sure though what was the number back in the 70's.


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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:44 am

Thanks MEA310, that's definitely an impressive number of airlines!
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:27 am

I am sure BA can compile a neat list of all these airlines.

There are many airlines that only operate seasonal service such as OS, LOT and LTU among others.

 
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:52 pm

BA:

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I actually found out that the reason the flight was not able to start last year was becuase they had not recieved authorization from the Lebanese government to start flights when they wanted to. The authorization finally came in allowing IB to start flying to Beirut now in March.
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RE: Iberia Launching Beirut Service In March

Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:49 pm

LIST OF AIRLINES SERVING LEBANON IN THE 1970'S

AIR ALGERIE
AIR FRANCE
SWISSAIR
LUFTHANSA
SABENA
KLM
AUSTRIAN AIRLINES
SAS
LOT
MALEV
ALITALIA
BRITISH AIRWAYS
AEROFLOT
JAT
CSA
TAROM
THY
BALKAN BULGARIAN
INTERFLUG
OLYMPIC AIRWAYS (Stopped in early 1970's)
CYPRUS AIRWAYS
EGYPT AIR
SUDAN AIRWAYS
ETHIOPIAN AIRLINES
ALEYMDA
IRAQI AIRWAYS
IRAN AIR (STOPPED IN EARLY 197O'S)
AIR INDIA
LIBYAN ARAB AIRLINES
ALIA
SAUDIA
KUWAIT AIRWAYS CORPORATION
MEA
TMA
PAN AMERICAN WORLD AIRWAYS
VARIG :BEY-FCO/MXP-MAD-GIG (EARLY 1970'S)
VIASA : BEY-MXP-(MAD)-CCS (EARLY 1970'S)
GULF AIR
PAKISTAN iNTERNATIONAL AIRLINES
JAPAN AIR LINES
TUNIS AIR (very briefly)

Yes these were the good old days.

As for IB flying back to BEY, I surely wellcome the airline and the new frequency, but I firmly believe that the airline is here to feed its South American hub from Bey, I can't hardly think on how the company will fill its seats provided that there are 39312 seats offered (on a yearly basis) on the MAD-BEY-MAD sector .
I wish Whole heartedly the company success