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BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:17 am

I have been looking at fares between MAN and LHR on BD for a variety of dates. While there were the occasional high fares, most were cheap – either £5 or £7 one-way excluding tax – including for all of tomorrow (excluding the first flight), Thursday, Friday, Saturday – and an awful lot of other dates. Most odd was that the last flight tonight was also £7. Would it be fair to deduce from this that these flights do not have many passengers aboard, hence the very low fares so close to departure? Or are they just trying to fill all seats and not worrying about yield? The odd thing is is that every time I have flown this route, always on BD, it’s been at least 75% full – even on mid-day flights.
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:32 am

Well the bmi sale is on now apparently! Woohoo!
Ends at midnight tonight I think.

My parents have just booked with them on the MAN-LHR route for their connecting flight to China. They only paid a total of £114 return for the both of them!

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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:10 am

Flew MAN-LHR and return just before Christmas and got very cheap flights. A320 out and A321 return, both full to chock-a-block capacity, not one spare seat!

The cabin staff were struggling to serve the passengers in the time allowed. BD could do with an extra cabin crew member on this route.

We only got a drink going out but coming back got a choice of sandwich and bar service, very impressed with the service for the fare paid. It was cheaper than no-frills and we got fed and watered!
 
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:28 am

'We got fed and watered!'

Essential on a 30-minute flight, eh?
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:35 am

>'We got fed and watered!'

Essential on a 30-minute flight, eh?<

Watered, yes. Fed, no. Still, considering that WN, etc. all serve drinks and snacks, it shows you don't need to be FR to make money as an LCC. BD is filling their planes and doing ok. Then again, another crew member would make that flight cost 20 or so quid more for BD, and therefore not as cheap
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:40 am

How on earth can you possibly say that you need to be watered on a pathetically short 30-minute flight? Do you insist on a drink while driving or when going by train or bus for 30 minutes? I highly doubt it.

[Edited 2005-01-18 22:44:50]
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:52 am

its always nice tho, its not necessary, but i like it, even on the NCL-LHR/LGW getting a meal is proavbly the most memorable part of the flight
 
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:55 am

But "not necessary" at all - an unnecessary, avoidable and expensive want.
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:06 am

I agree with Sevenair, being served a drink or meal makes for a great flight, its nice to have some airlines who still give an in-flight service!
 
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:16 am

Perhaps the service on the route is to keep up with the opposition! Or lack of it from BA?
 
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:19 am

How on earth can you possibly say that you need to be watered on a pathetically short 30-minute flight? Do you insist on a drink while driving or when going by train or bus for 30 minutes? I highly doubt it.

When some passengers are stuck at the airport for 2 hours before, strapped for cash and have a long journey ahead. Being fed and watered makes the airline seem more special IMO, not just a bus,

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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:32 am

Monday night last week I booked LHR-MAN-LHR for the next day, flying out at 0700 and returning at 2030. Return fare was £18, with taxes fees and charges total payable was £58. I was suprised to see such cheap fares. The outbound flight was very full in both J and Y, the return had less than 30 pax only two of which was in J.

On the other point, yes I do expect food and drink on the flight even if it is 30 minutes. When I choose to fly with a full service carrier I have high expectations no matter how short the flight may be. In my experience bmi have been fine service wise.
 
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:43 am

Sory, Pe@rson. I usually tend to agree with you (apart from the out of city airports thing) but full service carriers should offer a decent service. I hear even easyJet offer a better service than that Ryanair of yours  Big grin It's what regular pax want, and why regular pax choose easyJet over Ryanair  Big grin
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:15 pm

I have flown easyJet and let me tell you that it won't be an experience I will remember. Flying easyJet and Ryanair is as boring as taking a bus. And like GKirk said, I expect from full service carriers a plus even for short segements. I was though a little bit disappointed by my last LH flight from Vienna to Frankfurt where they served Tobelerone bars and a drink. The service has dramtically decreased as they used to service sandwiches on short flights a year ago.
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:22 pm

That's the problem: there's an expectation of onboard refreshment. You do not expect this in economy class on a train or a coach, hence the distinct lack of fuss when it is not provided. If airlines never provided food or drink, then there would be little or no fuss now. The problem is is that they have provided it for years and when they try to take it away, their customers' expectation still exists and blurs their vision.

Still, who cares? Not I.

Do not get me wrong - I am all for choice, so if you want to pay X for frills included in the price, go for it.

[Edited 2005-01-19 12:25:06]
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:36 pm

You almost seem to be trying to suggest that the level of service offered by all airlines should be brought down to the lowest common denominator. If BD want to offer in-flight service on a short route, why shouldn't they? I'm sure its a differentiator that encourages passengers to travel with BD again, especially if they've experienced the lower-end of the airline business previously. And if pax are members of Diamond Club, they get miles AND to use the lounge for a complimentary drink before the flight as well - all included in those very low prices quoted above. What BD does goes to show that it IS possible to offer good service AND charge a low price at the same time - something that certain other airlines seem to be incapable of understanding.
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:39 pm

"What BD does goes to show that it IS possible to offer good service AND charge a low price at the same time - something that certain other airlines seem to be incapable of understanding."

While making a loss. I guess it goes to show that it "IS possible to offer good service AND charge a low price at the same time" - but not make a profit, the sole reason for which the business is in existance.
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:53 pm

bmi has always been a full-service, quality carrier, and people have an expectation of this when choosing to fly with them. This is why bmibaby is a seperate brand, offering a totally different product, in the same league as Ryanair, Jet2, easyJet etc... If bmi had set up on all those WW routes offering a no-frills, single-class product, it would have tarnished the high standards that have become a well-known feature of bmi.
 
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:12 pm

While making a loss. I guess it goes to show that it "IS possible to offer good service AND charge a low price at the same time" - but not make a profit, the sole reason for which the business is in existance

You have no idea whether that particular route is making a loss or a profit for British Midland. Both British Midland AND Ryanair subsidise the cheap fares paid by some customers with the top-end fares paid by other customers. If, in your opinion, British Midland is making a loss selling tickets at £7.00 and giving drinks and food in that price, then Ryanair is equally likely to be making a loss selling a ticket for £0.01 and then selling a sandwich and a coke for another fiver, particilarly considering there's no obligation on the passengers to buy the profit-making sandwiches and drinks.

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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:34 am

"You have no idea whether that particular route is making a loss or a profit for British Midland."

BMI is a LOSS-MAKING airline (according to the most recent statistics on its website). I did not once state that the ROUTE was loss-making as, like you rightly said, I have no way of knowing that information.
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:34 am

And Southwest is a PROFIT-MAKING airline that often includes more service items than non-LCCs. On a train journey (which is usually much shorter) you can still get water free from a fountain, which you cannot when an airline is charging you for it. Also, when you are paying high, high prices for a ticket, which you can also do on airlines like OS, LX and BD, it is no longer a matter of "you paid 20 quid, don't complain". Beyond that, water, especially on an airplane at 35,000 feet, is an absolute necessity.
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RE: BD's Very Cheap Last-minute Fares On MAN-LHR

Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:49 am

Interesting to read. Will reply hopefully with more of my thoughts later but 2 words come into play here...... Seat Sale  Big grin
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