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A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:46 am

What happens when the fasten seat belt sign comes on?

Or Worse

Clear Air Turbulence :/

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:48 am

Usually people sit down and buckle up and the 'plane shakes a bit, just like on all other commercial aircraft.

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:48 am

I was thinking about this too. Perhaps the aircraft becomes inversed? Or the wings fall off? Plastic wings and wing fairings, heaven forbid! I'd imagine everyone on board would die? Suffocate? Everything immediately falls out of the overhead lockers, apparently, as soon as you hit clear air turbulence. Seriously, what are you getting at? What difference is there going to be to ANY other airliner? What are you expecting?
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:49 am

Let me clarify, they are in teh Gym, Bar, Casino. Hmmm got to think about that one. You think a guy with chips on the Roulette wheel will be happy when his chips fly?

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:54 am

Let me clarify, they are in teh Gym, Bar, Casino. Hmmm got to think about that one. You think a guy with chips on the Roulette wheel will be happy when his chips fly?

Chris


I bet you he'll be even more disappointed when he finds out that the airline he's taking has packed the entire aircraft full of seats.
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:57 am

Let me clarify, they are in the Gym, Bar, Casino. Hmmm got to think about that one. You think a guy with chips on the Roulette wheel will be happy when his chips fly?

Does anybody really think that any Airline other than Virgin Atlantic will put a casino and bar, gym, or lounge on this beast??? I highly doubt it!!! Most Airlines will be looking for the most PAX=revenue from flying this thing...

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:59 am

If it is filled with 500 people only, aren't you just basically loading a 747?

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:02 am

What happens when turbulence strikes while your on the treadmill in Virgin's gym?
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:05 am

Exactly what i was trying to say Orion!  Smile
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:06 am

What happens when turbulence strikes while your on the treadmill in Virgin's gym?

You get another gin and tonic (that you spilled) and go for a few more miles!!!!
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:07 am

Does anybody really think that any Airline other than Virgin Atlantic will put a casino and bar, gym, or lounge on this beast??? I highly doubt it!!!


Right, but LongbowPilot's question is still valid.


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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:08 am

I think the crew automatically ejects leaving the pax to their own devices. That's what I heard anyway.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:08 am

If it is filled with 500 people only, aren't you just basically loading a 747?

Not even close. Very few 747s are loaded with anything more than 450 passengers, and most carry far far less than that.

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:09 am

EGGD:

Let me give you an insight.

The wings on an aircraft are meant to flex, they take the stress loading (i believe is the correct term) of the aircraft.

If wings were inflexible the stress on them would extremely high and result in cracks and failure. Therefore wings are designed specifically to flex, be it metal or plastic.

So during turbulence the wings will not fall off or break apart.

Maybe an engineer elaborate.
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:10 am

Longbowpilot said:

If it is filled with 500 people only, aren't you just basically loading a 747?


What sort of 747s do you fly on? The A380 will carry 500 in a "comfortable" long haul configuration, not the sardine can configuration of the 744D.

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:17 am


A 747 w 500 pax. = a tincan of sardins  Big grin The 380 got 50% more space.....

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:27 am

A 747 w 500 pax. = a tincan of sardins The 380 got 50% more space.....

..........which simply means the 380 is a 50% larger can of sardines  Big grin.

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:30 am

Ye but the A380 is pig ugly! The 747 just looks good in my opinion.

The A380 is a remarkable aircraft but I think the nose should be redisigned.

I am an airbus fan and hope the A380 does well, but I am sure that there are other airbus enthusiasts that will agree with me about the nose of the A380.

Even though its a superb aircraft, I don't think it will have the legacy of the 747.

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:31 am

OK, back to the TOPIC at hand. What about turbulence? If you are working up a sweat in the gym or losing your shirt at Black Jack. What happens when the fasten your seat belt light comes on?

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:35 am

Look, if you are at the gym you just hold on to the exercise machines. As for the casino I'm not sure but they may have some sort of retractable seats as they use for the crew. Just my guess. By the way, wouldn't it be medically risky to exercise aboard an airplane?
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:36 am

You go back to your seat and fasten your seatbelt.

Thats precisely why the ideas are inpractical and JAA approval will be difficult.
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:37 am

I wonder if Karen Black would know how to fly it in case of emergency?

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:55 am

BALandorLivery: EGGD:

Let me give you an insight.

The wings on an aircraft are meant to flex, they take the stress loading (i believe is the correct term) of the aircraft.


He, you are British and therefore supposed to have some sense of humour. Work on it.

If you are working up a sweat in the gym or losing your shirt at Black Jack. What happens when the fasten your seat belt light comes on?

Even worse: What happens if you are in the bathroom and the seat belt lights comes on?
I mean, you can leave a bar from one second to another but not the toilet.
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:00 am

LongbowPilot, I can see two possibilities in reference to your question. One possibility is to install some of those fold-down seats that flight attendants use. People working out could sit down right in the gym and strap in while waiting for the turbulence to subside. They're light, take up little space, and as there would be relatively few people using the gym facilities to begin with, not many of these seats would have to be installed. The second possibility would be to require gym users to return to their seats whenever turbulence is an issue.

In either case, I doubt the gyms, casinos, etc will last very long. These are all things that were proposed when the 747 was launched, and they never saw the light of day.



By the way, wouldn't it be medically risky to exercise aboard an airplane?

Turbulence aside, why would it be?


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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:01 am

Could you imagine lifting weights and suddenly you hit an air pocket?
OUCH!!!
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:01 am

Or in the shower haha, I saw a shower being demonstrated as a possible A380 feature on a BBC 10pm news tonight. I can just picture getting in a lather and a steward having to come and pull you out and sit you in your seat dripping wet.
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:05 am

NoUFO:

I mean, you can leave a bar from one second to another but not the toilet.

I don't think you are being entirely correct. People spend more time queuing for the toilet than in the toilet itself so it might actually be easier to get back to your seat than if you were at the bar or at the casino. If you are inside the toilet you can always pretend you're not there and hope the cabin crew are running for their seats too. In my opinion the worst situation might arrive if you happen to be on a toilet located inside the bar...
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:08 am

Could you imagine lifting weights and suddenly you hit an air pocket?


Hopefully they'd be smart and use these:




The weight savings alone would make them worthwhile.


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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:17 am

NoUFO:

Take it easy, I was just giving the chap some information.

you want sense of humour?

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:29 am

The "chap" really didn't need the information provided. He was merely sarcastic.
Thanks for the joke, though.  Smile
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:32 am

It's ok, just making my contribution.
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:36 am

You can still get hurt using the bowflex if you hit turbulence. You could be in the middle of a lift hit turbulence causing you to let go awkwardly or something like that. You could pull a muscle or worse.
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:41 am

I think the chips would have to be of the magnetic kind. Now if u are in the gym. well that's another matter all together. I would assume that the seat of the bowflex machine would have to have a seat belt. I don't envisage any dumb bells or barbells though. Smile
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:56 pm

This is a very good question. It's notable that the only actual fatalities (at least in recent years) attributed to turbulence have occurred aboard 747s, so don't think size makes an aircraft immune from turbulence.
All this buzz about duty free shops, lounges, etc. means that even more people would be up and about-and unrestrained-when a bout of severe turbulence occurs. Maybe Virgin could offer passengers dancing on the ceiling (with thier heads) contests.
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:02 pm

In the End......There would be Spacious Seats everywhere  Big thumbs up
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:08 pm

Personally, I'd rather have them pass on the gym idea. Unless they're putting showers in the plane, I don't want to have to sit next to someone smelling like a rotting carcass.
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:21 pm

Another way to look at this:
How was turbulence handled aboard 747-100s fitted with the upper deck lounge and L-1011s with the lower deck lounge in the 1970s? Maybe passenger safety regulations are also part of the reason they are no more...
How about FAs in the lower deck galley? I don't remember there being a folding seat in there, but I could be wrong. How about passengers sitting (almost put the 'h' in there Big grin) on toilets? This applies to all aircraft. If there was genuine concern for passenger safety in case of unexpected turbulence, there should be a seatbelt on the toilet. You can laugh, but lavs are fitted with an oxygen mask... now what happens more often, unexpected turbulence, or loss of cabin pressure? So if you are taking a dump and the aircraft decompresses you will be fine, but sudden CAT hits and you earn a skull fracture. Go figure.

So will the 'hypothetical' A-380 casino, shopping arcade and exercise gym be fitted with oxygen masks like the regular seating areas and lavs? How many? Where? Was it even considered?


Very interesting topic. Make people think about this


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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:32 pm

Ok, I have to say it since no one else did......

forget the casino or even the gym, what if you were "working out" on one of those "two person beds" and some severe turbulence hit...

all I can see is some severe pain.....

Ouch!

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:36 pm

How was turbulence handled aboard 747-100s fitted with the upper deck lounge and L-1011s with the lower deck lounge in the 1970s?

Good Question. Maybe they just got lucky during the limited time before the need for seats made them go away. I suspect these hubris filled visions of cruise ship interiors for the A380 will melt away fairly quickly once the bean counters get good and involved.

How about FAs in the lower deck galley?

FAs comprise the bulk of turbulence injuries yearly. Ankle injuries while standing in the galleys-particularly aft-are among the most common injury type.


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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:22 pm

As 2H4 suggested these fanciful ideas for the extra room on the A380 were much like the 747-100 when it came out with its upper deck lounges and aluminum baby grand pianos. Certainly at the time airlines couldn't fill an entire 747. Later however as airlines started to see their pax numbers go significantly higher, wasted space for luxuries became quite expensive so out the door went the piano and the lounges and in comes another 50-90 seats.

I suspect a similar episode will start with the A380. All the airlines will try to out-do eachother with fancy amenities like maybe a welcome desk for boarding passengers, electronic casinos, hotel-like sleeping areas, etc. but once there are enough pax on the routes the A380 flies... out go the amenities and in come another 200 or so seats at 25" pitch.

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:43 pm


I remember seeing a picture of an early with bench seats along the fuselage equipped with seat belts, but can find any on the net. The A380's initial amenities appear to offer a much greater chance of passengers standing up and milling around at any given time.
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:23 pm

Virgin can't afford to pay its staff a decent salary - i cannot see them losing revenue by not filling the 380 up with seats - usual RB hot air and PR  Yeah sure
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:12 am

Virgin already have a stand up bar on their A346 don`t they so have they run into problems with turbulance on them?

I think the casino is going to be part of the IFE, the gym (if it happens) will be interesting though. I can`t see them using weights though. Too heavy.

Some of the TV reports yesterday were on about jacuzzis. That would be even more "interesting" with turbulence  Big thumbs up

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:15 am

Silly kids - there's no such thing as an 'air pocket'.
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:18 am

whoever things we'll have bowling alleys, gyms, tennis courts, cricket fields, track fields, olympic-sized swimming pools, hot tubs and saunas are deluding themselves......

this plane is about MASS PAX..nothing more..the whole notion of only flying 480-550 PAX on a 380 is a PR baloney......EK and VS already want the stretch versions of the 380 to get MAXIMUM PAX (can you say "sardine"?)

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:29 am

Let me clarify, they are in teh Gym, Bar, Casino. Hmmm got to think about that one. You think a guy with chips on the Roulette wheel will be happy when his chips fly?

Grab the chips and run! They will never catch ya in that big beast! And if the wings fall off, well, spend the chips at the gift shop! Gotta spend it before your last day I guess!
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:38 am

And I was hoping the thread would be talking about wake turbulence. Silly me. Maybe the real question should be what happens to the VS massage client in the aircraft following behind a 380?
 
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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:46 am

probably branson found th ebest way to make money: all chips in the casino go to the bank, whenever the plane hits turbulence. the pilots will be advised to seek the most turbulent airway. or just get nuts with the side stick.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: A380 And Turbulence

Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:44 am

"OK, back to the TOPIC at hand. What about turbulence? If you are working up a sweat in the gym or losing your shirt at Black Jack. What happens when the fasten your seat belt light comes on?"

My guess is that the airline HOPEs that turbulence strikes while at the blackjack table, so then you'd have to buckle up at your seat the table and not leave - meaning poor suckers stuck in the casino!