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Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:36 pm

Just read in Airliner world that Avianca is in negotiations to acquire 30 former AA Fokker 100's.

Has there been any progress on this, or is it just speculation?
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:41 pm

interesting..

do you have any link on that?

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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:42 pm

No I just read it in the Airliner World magazine Jan 2005 issue.
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:46 pm

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1912981

This has been discussed under the above link.

I'm sure AV will get part of the F-100s order.

Ocean Air VP said in a press interview in Rio de Janeiro that the number is 29 x F100, and AV would get part of it, to be split among AV, Ocean Air, VIP and newly established Wayra Peru

Rgs and tks for reinforcing the news!

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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:47 pm

It was know Avianca’s new owner, German Efromovich was negotiating the acquisition of Fokkers in November..
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:49 pm

Indeed, the news for me is that the F-100s are coming from AA. I thought that they would come from JJ! JJ was once the biggest operator of F-100 and is replacing them with Airbuses.

I think F-100 would fit AV quite well, and you may expect new air connections among airports in Colombia, Peru, Ecuador and Brazil.

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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:50 pm

 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:50 pm

Yes thats what is says.

It also says they are to support the revised business plan.

Very vague I know, but thats all it says in the mag.

I hope they get them, its a shame to see those birds sitting in the desert.
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:52 pm

Thanks for this new source, and especially for the info as to where these aircraft are coming from.
This has been discussed http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1912981/
It is unlikely that AV would take such number of F100s, even if to replace its MD83s, but it has been reported that 29 of the type would be divided up between the airlines of Sinergy group: Newly acquired AV, Brazilian commuter airline OceanAir, new Peruvian Wayra and a small Ecuatorian airline.
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:29 pm

Nice!! Now that we get some concrete info, it looks brighter.
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:59 pm

The info was the same as in the previous link....the only additional info is that the planes would come from AA and not JJ....again, the F-100 seem to be confirmed, as stated by Ocean Air VP in an interview to a Brazilian newspaper.

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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:29 pm

are there still that many F100s available??? how many are still parked somewhere?
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:20 pm

Not sure but I would assume at least 30.

A few are being picked up and used in europe now aren't they?

Didn't Helvetic use former USAirways F100's
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:54 pm

As of end of 2004 American were only sitting on 31 frames max, so this would fairly well clean them out at Mojave.
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:00 am

How old are those 30 Former AA F100's ???
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:29 am

They run from late 91 to mid 94.
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:57 am

They are 15 years old, but in a very good condition .
AA will replace them in the next years with the new 737 8, but this will take at least 5 years to replace the aprox 60 F100.
On domestic routes would fit perfectly, less pax, more frequencies and less operational cost than a MD.

 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:08 am

AA will replace them in the next years with the new 738, but this will take at least 5 years to replace the aprox 60 F100.


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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:14 am

AA will replace those F100 with the 737/800
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:42 am


...The part where AA already has all of their F100s out of the fleet.



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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:52 am

AA dont have F100 in their fleet right now, the last one was retired in SEp 2004.
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:56 am

You also missed that the 738 is almost twice the size with twice the range of the F100. AA would be smart to stop Boeing from closing the 717 line while they still have a chance and not end up like NW with the 753
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:57 am

So finally AV will have owned planes! Good for them. Now there's no excuse for not starting BOG-MAR and BOG-VLN flights, hehe.
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:58 am

this will take at least 5 years to replace the aprox 60 F100.


That's precisely why this sentence sounded ridiculous; case of misunderstanding.




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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:21 am

According to AA:
AA and Boeing announced that American will defer 54 of 56 aircraft originally scheduled for delivery between 2005 and 2009.The delivery of 47 737 /800
and seven B 777, aircraft will be deferred by six years.
American active fleet consists of over 730 aircraft. This does not include American Eagle.


The retired F100 are the ones that they are selling, 10 of them are already flying in a Canadian LCC, some of them in Africa, and the remaining are still for sale.
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:59 am

It's JetsGo that have the former AA F100's in Canada isn't it?

I read somewhere that they were getting more of them too.
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:18 am

Sounds great, I think the F100 will fit great with AVIANCA's short-haul routes. I know we won't be seeing them in MIA at all but what are some possible routes?

I am thinking Intra-Colombia routes for sure and maybe San Juan? Santo Domingo? Isla Margarita? Manaus?


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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:23 am

I repeat what I said in an earlier post regarding the same thing.
I highly doubt AV will get those, and even less to get 30. It's not like they're gonna double their whole capacity (remember they have like 35 planes) like this.
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:51 am

Indeed, these news are definitely pushing it. To start off, the 30 Fokkers are most likely to be divided between the companies under the Synergy umbrella, not just Avianca.

I won't buy this information until I see a press release from the company itself, or until more details arise. In case it all turns out to be true, I won't hesitate in paying front row to see how the Fokker100s' arrival will crash with the well-stablished self-proven MD83, and their role within the company.

Again, in case all this fuss is completely true, these aircraft will most likely stay within domestic routes. International routes would have the risk of taking off penalized from Bogota, baring in mind hot&high conditions, plus the range of the Fokkers, plus the presence of the MD83s.


Let's see what happens.




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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:14 am

As in the other thread, wont believe it until Juan Emilio Posada or Efromovich do an announcement...
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:39 am

Juan Emilio either...
I just won't believe until I see it.
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:43 am

We'll just have to wait and see what becomes of the discussions.

Lets try to be optomistic though, I think it would be a good thing for Avianca
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:58 am

The retired F100 are the ones that they are selling, 10 of them are already flying in a Canadian LCC, some of them in Africa, and the remaining are still for sale.

Is this to say that the none of the F100s recently picked up by European airlines such as Air-Berlin, EU Fly, Germania, Helvetica and Montenegro Airlines are ex-AA?

Who'd have ever guessed that second-hand F100s would become a "hot seller?" Speaks very well of the last of the Fokker line of excellent airliners (the F70 being a shortened version of the F100 design) dating back to the 1920s Smile
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:40 pm

Jetsgo, Austrian and Helvetic received ex AA Fk100's

Germania are ex US, EU Jet are a mix of Gill and TAM. Montenegro aircraft came from a variety of sources.

A small number of AA aircraft have also, or are due to be, broken up.
 
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RE: Avianca To Acquire 30 Former AA F100's

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:45 pm

A small number of AA aircraft have also, or are due to be, broken up.

yup, not that they are bad but they were cheap, so it makes more sense for airlines as Jetsgo to buy 2 F-100's for spare parts...

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