>>Much better. I thank you for realizing the uncivility of how you started the original one.<<
Such a thin skinned person. Hypocritical as well if you’re talking about “civility”
From one of your earlier posts:
you seem to want to follow in their example of fucking over everyone else for your own short-term benefit.<<
I guess civility only counts when you want to use it.
>>Not at all-on yours. You keep hitting management for bonuses that, in the long run, add up to peanuts as compared to overall finances in the company. <<
Peanuts? You call $49 million to 16 people peanuts? I’m sorry pal, but when you’re asking for pay cuts from the rank and file, you don’t reach into their pockets at the same time. There is a thing called leadership by example.
>>I've ticked off to you, time and time again, the reality of this industry-realities that you seemingly ignore and dismiss out of hand:<<
All you are doing is sounding like a parrot in a pet shop. Everything you speak of is a cost of doing business. Attacking an already low labor CASM does nothing to solve the long term problems. Unless the real problems are addressed like the peanuts for executive compensation for example, the problems do not go away. Labor cuts are a short term approach that in the end solves nothing. Given your example of say fuel..has management said they would refund the difference if it goes down? What if it goes up again? Are you willing to continue to subsidize costs of doing business?
>>If you're talking about the meetings we've had with management, you're the one who says they're blatant lies and mischaractizations, even though you weren't present, which I fine pretty amazing. You don't have a clue what went on there, so how can you, with a straight face, make such sweeping claims? <<
No, I am talking about your blantent lies about the meeting.
From this post again you wrote:
>>your union doesn't allow you to talk directly to management<<
Back up your claim. You can't because it is a complete lie.
>>Last time I checked, we were employees. Should I have said "gate and ramp"? Would that have made you happy. The fact you weren't invited<<
Names, date, management people in attendance who stated this.
>>I do have a question for you. With Larry and Jeff hitting the road to the major stations, are pilots even allowed to go to their road shows, or does the union not permit you to attend these session?<<
Now that is interesting given your statement from before and above. Do you see a bit of a your continued contradictions?
>>I wasn't able to attend the one here in CLE
because it was too early in the day, and I had to get my kids off to school. But are you even allowed to go?<<
Yes. I take it that is the extent of your retraction from your earlier comments?
>>It wasn't an incorrect assumption, as far as I'm concerned. Are you telling me your union ISN
'T doing the same? If they aren't, that's the height of irresponsibility on the part of your union. I cannot answer that. You can-why don't you? Is your union looking at work rule changes to offset the pay cuts? It's not a hard question, and I am just curious. To me, it makes sense for them to do so.<<
The union is classifying any give backs as a loan. Any concessions will be tied to a significant upside pay back for the pilots. I will not put specifics on the internet, but so far, what has been talked about has not been recieved well.
>>Actually, you will, in one way or another. Whether you like it or not, you will end up giving something back to help this company make it in the long run. It's a reality, whether you give up less now, or you give up more in a bankruptcy filing, when all bets are off. The reality is, you will give it up. I wish it wasn't the case, and I do not like the fact either of us has to give up anything, but again, your denial of the facts won't change the reality tha will happen sooner or later. For all involved, sooner is better.<<
I believe if things do not change within the industry (exclusive of labor CASM), the company will file bankruptcy anyway. No amount of concessions will fix the industry or CO
’s problems. Further, any concessions will be voted on by the pilot group. At this point, I doubt it would pass. You are dealing with a pilot group that has not had raises in a significant amount of time, has already been earning far less than their peers and has a contract that is 29 months past it's amendable date.