scandinavian
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New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:21 am

Hello everybody!

I just found a picture of the new Finnair business class seat for their MD11 fleet.

http://www.finnair.fi/filecontent/fi/seat/chair.html

Looks fine! What do you think?

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FunFlying
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:58 am

Looks absolutely great! Got a presentation today of the seat and it's going to be very nice!

In other news, Finnair is starting twice-weekly Helsinki-Stockholm (Skavsta)-Boston -flights this June with the B-757.

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roseflyer
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:20 am

It looks really good. Kind of reminds me of how the new Lufthansa business class seat looks. Of course most lie flat seats are pretty similar though. It is good to see Finnair bringing a competitive product to the marekt.
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UnitedFirst
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:24 am

It's kind of painful to see them refer to it as the Boeing MD11 Business Class Lie-flat Seat.

These airlines have no shame.

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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:14 am

FunFlying,

Is the BOS flight confirmed? It would be awesome seeing a Finnair B757 at BOS!!!!

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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:16 am

Thanks for the link!

I sure look forward to trying them out later this year Smile
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:20 am

Lie-flat seats on MD-11s? This is not serious! Are they going to instal IFE/PTV on economy?  Smile

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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:20 am

it seems a lot like LH's new lie flat seat...
 
Lufthansa747
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:29 am

No Y PTV on M11.

They have even replaced the old MD-11 logos on the planes with a ridiculous looking BOEING MD-11 text....
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:35 am

These are the same seats that Iberia and South African have installed. It is the Sicma Majesty seat. Looks great with the Finnair colors. I'm glad there is still a passenger MD-11 flying scheduled flights. It is one good looking aircraft.


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OHLBU
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:32 am

Well, Boeing MD11 is the official name of the type. Shame that the seats wont be installed until the year´s end. Economy will profit by getting lcd-screens in place of the current roof-mounted monitors, but no ptv. Finnair is a low-cost-service airline with the cost-structure of a mainline carrier. New crew rest areas will also be fitted to the back of the cabin, I suppose this will be done at the same time as the business-refit.
 
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:37 am

"Finnair is a low-cost-service airline with the cost-structure of a mainline carrier."

Come on. Have you ever been on a low cost airline? The MD-11 may not have PTV:s, but introducing them now would be financial suicide. Just wait until they upgrade their fleet.
 
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:48 am

Finnair is a low-cost-service airline with the cost-structure of a mainline carrier.

I didn't know low cost airlines serve hot meals within Europe and two hot meals on HEL-BKK for example. A close rival of AY is slipping towards low cost all the time...
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:53 am

Killjoy,

No, I´ve never been on a low-cost flight and never intend to. Never will go to LIDL either as the "cheap cheap cheap"-concept just repulses me. Tavis-meininkiä.

By low-cost-service I meant the general service attitude of the crew, especially on long-haul flights. They really know how to make the customer feel unwanted! And also the MD11 cabin, with no ptv and cramped C-section seating. But I also understand why they do not want to upgrade the aircraft, why do it for Aurinkomatkat (tour operator) IT-pax who pay a price for the flight which is under the yield? Just feel sorry for the people who transfer in HEL from European destinations to Finnair´s long-haul, as they would be much better off with EK/BA/VS etc.
 
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:59 am

AY longhaul crew is no worse than SK/LH/KL etc. in my opinion. Economy class on long hauls is always a pain, so Finnair is often the best alternative with nonstop flights for me.

The cattle section of MD-11s is a disgrace, hopefully they won't have that sort of seating arrangements on the new widebodies in the future. I can't believe they changed it to 3-4-3 on all MD-11s.
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OHLBU
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:04 am

That is why I say my evening prayers for the A350 to replace the MD, give me 2-4-2 any day. In Finnair´s MD11 you request 21JL, the best seats in eco.
 
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:07 am

Yes I guess 777s would have 3-4-3 seating all the way. 22H is also good on the M11, I just hate that the exit rows are in the 3-4-3 section.
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killjoy
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:21 am

The front part of the economy section is actually 3-4-2. I can't understand why they'd do that, since it'll mess with their marketing (you won't know what you're getting when you buy the ticket). Selling it as Economy+ or having a consistent cabin would be more logical.

In any case, it's probable Finnair will order the B7E7 or the A350, so the seats should be wider in the future. Going from 8 to 9 should be harder than squeezing in an extra tenth seat  Smile .

As for the crew, I've never had a problem myself. Still, it's a subjective matter, and some employees may be worse than others. The new asian personnel has however always been very pleasant so far - I'm glad they decided to hire local staff from the countries they fly to.

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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:24 am

The new asian personnel has however always been very pleasant so far - I'm glad they decided to hire local staff from the countries they fly to.

My experience too. And the Finnish crews tried to get AY to court for this - lower salaries or something silly.
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:43 am

Well, boys, eat your porridge and you'll get a BBJ each! No Lidl-syndrome, no cattlecars, plentiest of plenty legroom. Extremely agreeable flight attendants 2!

You'll not believe me when I say that the people sitting/resting/playing cricket in the AY planes will be 80% Asians by 2015, and the major type then flown is the A380, but mark my words.

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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:44 am

They did that because they thought AY was trying to replace them with low-cost asian employees. They backed down when management told them to learn japanese, thai and chinese or shut up Big grin .
 
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:52 am

Ohlbu: "No, I've never been on a low-cost flight and never intend to." Oh come on, you're willing to pay an extra £200 for a newspaper and a gross croissant?

Eilennaei: an interesting point. It's certainly true that Asia - China in particular - is going to see an explosion of outbound travel, and Finnair, with it's long history of serving Asia, combined with it's idea geographic location, is well situated to do very well. It does indeed sound like sci-fi but I can also see half a dozen A380s with Finnair flying to China, HK, Thailand, Japan et al and feeding the pax onto A350s bound for all the European capitals.
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:06 pm

just a little off topic...how many Asian crew per flight to Asian destination? Is it like LH where lets say flt to BKK will be staffed with at least 5 Thais? Where are these Asian crew based at? Just curious because last time I flew AY BKK-SIN were all old mamas.
 
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:13 pm

Lufthansa747: "A close rival of AY is slipping towards low cost all the time..."

I guess you mean SAS..... Sad

By the way, does somebody know when SAS will introduce new business class seats on their A330/340 aircraft?

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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:06 am

Looks great the new seat.

By the way, did AY gain a profit last year, couldn´t find anything in the net.

 
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:24 am

Scandinavian - unfortunately yes... They were my favourite just three years ago with great service. But now - same prices and I get 125 vs 1250 miles and need to pay for water???

I have had at least 2 Thais per HEL-BKK sector. They are based in BKK, usually Thais who can speak Chinese as well since they also serve HKG/SIN pax. In addition, AY has Japanese and Chinese F/As as far as I know.
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:35 am

Nice to see another Oneworld carrier with an improved J class product.

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OHLBU
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RE: New Finnair Business Class Seat

Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:34 am

Killjoy,

The front part of eco in Finnair´s MD11 is 3-4-2 so you get wider seats with adjustable neck-rests. These seats can be booked in advance if you have a higher fare (Y or B, maybe some others as well) ticket. With lower prices you end up in c-section, rows 41-61. However, the seats left vacant in b-section 2 days before dep are given at airport check-in, 21JL (on OH-LGA/B/C/D) being baby bassinet seats so they will in most cases be given to pax traveling with infants.

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