behramjee
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Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:12 pm

From :

Japan Airlines has announced its plans for the April 1st 2005 to March 31st 2006 period as far as fleet and route changes. The plan includes further introduction of the fuel-efficient B767-300ER, B777-200ER and inauguration of the B777-300ER on long haul routes and the phasing out of the DC-10 from scheduled service.

JAL will introduce the new B777-300ER on long haul flights to Europe. Complete detail of International routes can be found below. As for domestic routes, the plan takes into account the opening of Kobe Airport (Feb 2006) and Chubu Airport, Nagoya, (Feb 2005). While all JAL international and domestic flights operations now operating at Nagoya Komaki Airport will move to Chubu when it opens but commuter flights by subsidiary J-Air will be operated at Komaki. JAL will expand operations of domestic subsidiary JAL Express by the transfer of four MD-81 aircraft to that airline.

Fleet details :
To be retired..
1x 747-200 1x 747-200F 4x DC10-40s 3x A300 2x YS11

Joining fleet
2x 777-300ER 2x 777-200ER 1x 777-200 3x 767-300ER 2x CRJ-200 2x Dh8-400

International route details :

Route Changes

Tokyo-Moscow
Introduction of 2 weekly direct flights by 777-200ER from March 27th.

Tokyo-Rome
Suspension of service via Moscow. Direct service increases to 3 flights a week from March 27th.

Tokyo-London
Current daily 747-400 to change to 777-300ER, resulting in 14 flights per week by 777-200ER or 777-300ER from October 30th.

Tokyo-Frankfurt
From 747-400 to 777-300ER, 7 flights weekly from October 30th.

Tokyo-Paris
Frequency increases by 1 to 10 a week from March 27th.

Osaka-Hanoi
Frequency increases by 1 to 3 a week from March 27th.

Tokyo Haneda
-Seoul Gimpo
Will upgrade from a DC10 to a B747, 7 flights a week from March 27th.

Osaka-Seoul
Frequency increases by 1 to 14 a week from March 27th.

Tokyo-Taipei
Frequency increases by 1 to 21 a week from March 27th.

Tokyo Haneda-Guam
Will operate a daily charter service from July 14th through August 31st with 767-300ER.
 
ktachiya
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:51 pm

Behramjee

Thanx for the info. So FRA and LHR are both going 777-300ER from the current 744? Then are these the 744 that are scheduled to be re-configured for cargo ops? I think they are converting two passenger types to freighters by the end of this year.

And do you know any details about the domestic ac? So with Kobe and Chubu opening, are there going to be dramatic increases?

I have always wondered about how the 744D will be used after ITM is not allowed to fly 4 engine ac anymore. Well, at least JL3007 from NRT sees a 744 fly into ITM all the time.
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Carpethead
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:36 pm

No really big surprises except more weeklies to Moscow.
At least we now know where the 773ERs will go.

Behramjee, a correction, KIX-ICN will go from 7 to 14 a week.
 
JoFMO
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:46 pm

It means a small reduction to FRA and LHR. How much less seats are they offering?

Have they anywhere announced the destinations they plan to serve from Kobe and what will stay at Nagoya-Komaki?
 
jacobin777
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:45 am

I'm not Airbus bashing here..but the fact JAL are moving to smaller planes to LHR, doesn't that go to show the jumbos for the most part are not in the cards, even for Asian carriers? After all, slot-restricted LHR and Asian countries such as Japan are supposed to be the very reason as to why Airbus has built the 380 in the first place.

intelligent comments welcome
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Boeing7E7
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:05 am

Just wait for the 7E7 to enter service...

I know of two destinations being worked on right now, both in the US.
 
bartond
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:13 am

Alright I'll bite...what are the two US destinations JAL is working on? They've got to be in the Midwest or the East somewhere, I'm guessing. Does JAL fly to SEA?
 
FCKC
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:20 am

Does JAL fly to LHR from Osaka and the new Nagoya airport ?
 
TokyoNarita
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:37 am

Does JAL fly to SEA?

Nope..used to years ago..not anymore..

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Carfield
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Transpacific

Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:44 am

I assume most of the major changes will occur with the European network, and Trans-Pacific flights will remain the same. Wow, 777-300ERs onto both LHR and FRA is good news and they will guarantee to have the new F, J, and Y cabin.

I guess we have to wait longer here in the US for the 777-300ERs to come.

Carfield
 
gkirk
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:49 am

Bit of a shock on the LHR flights. Would have thought demand was enough for 2 Daily 744s
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Boeing7E7
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:07 am

Alright I'll bite...what are the two US destinations JAL is working on? They've got to be in the Midwest or the East somewhere, I'm guessing. Does JAL fly to SEA?

Two west coast destinations. They estimate 3 years to work out details (about the norm) and get approval. Not LAX or SFO.
 
ZK-NBT
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:56 pm

So do they have plans to restart flights to AKL?

Or how about their Australia flights? They have 16 weekly to both SYD and BNE, what are loads like and are they likely to add anymore flights?
 
hoons90
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:40 pm

Also wanted to add that Nagoya-Busan will be upgraded to a 772ER (from 763) effective Feb 17 (Opening day of Chubu).
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hardiwv
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:03 pm

Any news regarding JAL operations to GRU? JAL currenly serves NRT-JFK-GRU 4 x week with the B747.

RG, which operates 4 x week GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT, requested authorisation to increase flights to Japan to daily. RG also wants to change operations in Japan from NRT to NGO. Anyone knows why RG would be interested in flying to NGO instead of NRT?

Rgs,
 
DeltaWings
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:41 pm

What do they plan on replacing the DC-10-40s with? A mix of 763s and 772s?


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JoFMO
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:19 pm

The Brazilian community is based mainly around Nagoya.
 
swissgabe
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:05 am

Didn't JAL / JAC retire all their YS-11 more than one year ago?

If not mistaken, the last flight was around October 2003.
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jacobin777
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:42 am

"Bit of a shock on the LHR flights. Would have thought demand was enough for 2 Daily 744s"

how about 2 A380's since Asian PAX will be leading the world in PAX growth and LHR is slot restricted...  Big grin
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bartond
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:51 am

Ummm.....what two west coast destinations is JAL working on? San Diego (seems strange with LAX so close), Seattle (probably), Portland (wouldn't think there'd be enough demand there for another PDX-NRT flight), Phoenix (not really west coast). What about Boise? Ha.
 
EddieDude
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:53 am

NRT-YVR-MEX was upgraded to the 744 a few months ago, but it still is 2x weekly. Any news on whether JL could add more frequencies?
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
ktachiya
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:50 am

So the West Coast city might be YVR or? Well and they can at the same time add more frequencies to MEX from NRT. 2x weekly doesn't seem like enough and I can imagine that the return from MEX-YVR-NRT might be a hastle to get tickets on.
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Trvlr
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:30 am

My bets are San Diego and Seattle, with Phoenix as the wild card. Wouldn't be too hard to sign an agreement with codeshare whore America West, so PHX could turn out to be an interesting opportunity.

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centrair
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:33 pm

Also from Chubu in Febuary NGO - CDG!!!
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
 
Flying Belgian
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:44 am

Great to know the 773ER routes assignements. FRA and LHR aren't a big surprise though.


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karan69
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:06 am

Is JAL going to start non-stop service from NRT-BOM --there was a rumour about that.
I think there is enough demand to fill a 4x weekly service--especially if they get their timings right-there could be great connections to the US cities of LAX/SFO etc.
Also its a very long flight if you have to get to Japan with all connections from BOM.---the faster the better
 
Carpethead
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RE: Big JAL Timetable Changes Till 2006

Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:10 am

Currently, Korea is the hot int'l market.
Japanese tend to go on fads. Vegas used to big, so was Hawaii, Australia & Bali. Hawaii is still a big market but not as big as it was in the early 90s.

There could be more int'l routes out of Chubu in the future including a transpac maybe to LAX. We will see how the new airport fares, but indications it will not be anything like KIX because all ANA group ops will go to Chubu while the J-Air CRJs flights will remain at Komaki. J-Air will also move its headquarters from Hiroshima to Komaki at the same time.

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