deltadude8
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Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:44 am

Hey...This morning at 9AM while I was at school a twin engine turboprop hit my neighborhood and found its way onto my neighbors lawn.

5 people were on board and all are believed to be dead. Its a pretty eeire site with all the debree and officials around. Still have cops and firetrucks all over the neighborhood and word has it that Cessena and the NTSB are on their way. The aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff and thats all I know right now.

For more info look at
 
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:47 am

Where do we look? There's no link.
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jetblueatjfk
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:34 am

And where do you live anyway???

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jfkaua
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoo

Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:38 am

I am guessing this is what hes talking about...
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NIKV69
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:30 am

Horrible crash. Planes going down into developments are the worst. How close was your house to the impact site?
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FLAIRPORT
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:31 pm

Horrible crash...and it must be scarier living next door. I live near the FLL landing path and landing is a critical part of flight...I don't fear it, but I sometimes think, espically when a plane is unusually low or the engines are running near or at full blast, about what that would be like. RIP to the dead and I hope the neighbors are ok.

Also, it seems like you live in a pretty nice neighborhood...and you have a former Royal as a neighbor. I hate it when these accidents happen in neighbors, let alone the REALLY expensive ones. Not to say that a crash in a poor neighborhood is not as good, but in $ figures, if a very expensive house is totaled, it could be over $1 mil in losses.
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Falcon84
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:35 pm

Apparently crashed into the home of former Royal, Indian, Yankee (anyone else he pitch with?) Jason Grimsley.

A terrible piece of news, whether anyone famous was involved in a periphiel way or not.
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deltadude8
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:57 pm

sorry the link i was posting was just www.kctv5.com

Anyway yeah...it didnt hit his house it just hit his foundation from what we can tell but it did flip over a truck on its way down and thats where most of the fire came from.

All the neighbors that were home said the explosion either from the truck or from impact shook their houses like an earthquake...I heard they found the 5th body a little bit ago...god bless their souls
 
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:12 am

No one even apologized to deltadude8 for what happened. The trauma must have been unbelievable and the events following the crash must be equally traumatic.

I'll be the first to say it deltadude8, I am so sorry you had to go through all that. I know I'd be a mess if I was in the same situation as you are.
 
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:16 am

Hope you were able to sleep with the crews around the neighborhood, and I hope everything is ok for you guys. It is a pretty scary thing. I also hope the family's of the people on the plane will be ok after all this.

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1MillionFlyer
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:33 am

421's should be grounded. These planes have one of the worst safety records of any piston twin. (the MU-2 has to be up there also).

The 421 has 2 geared turbocharded Continental Reciprocating engiens, it is not a turbo-prop,

One of these crashed near Chattanooga and killed 7 people about 5 weeks ago.

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jetav8r
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:57 am

The 421 has 2 geared turbocharded Continental Reciprocating engiens, it is not a turbo-prop,

I believe this one had the Riley conversion. As for the saftey record, that has more to do with the pilots than the airplane...
 
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:00 am

That plane is very unforgiving of bad piloting skill. I agree
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:15 am

Thats terrible, i wish the familys of the crash the best.
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deltaamtrak058
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:11 am

How horrible! My blessings go to the the familys of the crash.
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citjet
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:14 am

Well, it has the worst crash record probably because it is one of the most numerous twins to be produced by Cessna, not including the other series of twins along the lineage of the 421 Golden Eagle. The plane is a good performer, but if it is configured with the geared props, then diligence is required in the form of power management during decent. Well, I could go on and on, but this is a tragedy no matter the causes. We just lost a Cirrus SR22 here in the North West. All three believed lost.
 
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoo

Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:16 am

I'll have to respectfully disagree with Reply #10. My parents own and operate a Cessna 414A which shares the same airframe with the 421 series and they are no worse than any other high performance piston twin if piloted by a competant airman or well maintained. We would have bought a 421 but didn't feel it necessary granted the cost of maintaining TC geared engines and the small performance difference.

Also, the MU-2 is a turbine engine-not a piston engine. It is also a very good airframe that inferior piloting caused a good proportion of the accidents. Most accidents involving the 421 were attributible to pilot error to varying degrees.
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1MillionFlyer
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:29 am

the 414a does not have the systems the 421C has I think it is a much safe plane.

If personally have seen 3 421C crashes in 5 years in central Ohio when I was working line service. (2 engine fires and one engine failure) It is almost always pilot error when fatalities are involved. The MU-2 has the same reputation with being a handful. So does the AeroStar and the V35 "Doctor Killer" Bonanza.

I am sure your parents are competant pilots. Unfortunately there are a lot of pilots that should not be flying that airplane.

It is a tragedy.
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citjet
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:36 am

MU-2 is a pretty cool airplane. It is different from most civil A/C flown. One, unless the plane has the upgrade done to the engines, it has terrible climb performance and also it is finicky in cross wind landings due to the fact that Roll is controlled through spoilers not ailerons. One other thing. If on of the outboard or tip tank caps were to come off on take off, you can count on not retaining control. I've dealt with these planes many times. Just putting 5-10 gallons of jet-A on one side causes a shift while on the ground. Has to be fuelled simultaneously. Ok I'm rambling on again.......
 
1MillionFlyer
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:30 am

Also, the fuel tip tank filler lids on the MU-2 are pressurized at times and if you don't vent them they can blow off and do some damage.
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TWAMD-80
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:46 am

I am currently flying a Cessna 421C for my school. The plane is an excellent performer in a number of areas. I think a major cause in a number of the accidents is pilot error. The C-421 is not an especially easy airplane to fly. The engines need to be contiuously monitered closely as engine temperature management is especially important. On descent and approach, the power needs to be kept up to prevent shock cooling. Pilots flying airplanes have to be on top of their airplane. This is even more true for the 421, you can't let yourself get complacent or it can come back to bite you fairly easy. My condolences to the families involved.

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57AZ
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoo

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:58 am

Having grown up around General Aviation, I've only seen one 421 accident that was due to mechanical failure. That occurred at Ft. Payne, Alabama some time ago when the aircraft carrying the city fathers experianced nose gear failure-linkage that locked the strut in the down position broke during the landing roll. No one hurt but the airplane was in the shop for some time thereafter. I saw it about a week after the accident and while it wasn't a writeoff, it was going to require extensive work. It was a nice airplane and I'd had a chance to take a ride in it around the circuit some time before the accident.

1millionflyer, my folks are indeed highly experianced pilots. Dad's certificate has Instrument, twin, aerobatic, glider and commercial ratings. Mom has Instrument, twin and seaplane ratings. They've always flown high performance aircraft, our first plane being a Cessna P210. We only had it for a few years, three or four at most. We decided that it lacked certain creature comforts that we desired given the frequent long flights that we made. They considered transitioning to a turboprop but decided on the Cessna 414 given that it had lower operating costs while outperforming many comparable King Airs and others. We've had the 414 longer than any other plane, going on fifteen years now.

Safety, as you mentioned is dependant on quality training, retraining and maintenance. Both Mom and Dad attend simulator training annually and do refresher and familiarization courses provided by the FAA and our maintenance company at TUS. Most of the accident pilots are hobbiests for all practical purposes. They do not fly regularly and are often overconfident. All the technology can't save a fool from him/herself. A bad case of "getthereitis" can throw all safety technology to the wind. We've had times that we set down for hours just short of our destination to let the wx improve so that we could safely get in. As the old addage says, "Fools rush where angels fear to tread."
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:29 am

Can anyone tell me where in Overland Park it happened? I live in Lawrence, KS and am in Overland Park every other day, however I havent been since Wednesday, and I am just curious where this all happened.
 
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:23 pm

It happened on the 11600s block of 148th, about 3 blocks north of the end of runway 36 of Johnson County Executive. I'm guessing 148th and around Pflumm.
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deltadude8
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:38 pm

Actually the site was just north of the intersection of 151st and quivera (splng?) Anyway...All the souls were from the KC area on their way to florida for vacation...the more and more I hear the more and more sad it is...

My heart goes out to the families...by all means i deserve little or no sympathy but rather the loved ones of those lost...i can only imagine...
 
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:41 pm

Deltadude8-I am sorry to hear this and I am happy for you that you are notr physically affected.

My thoughts go out to all the families and friends of the dead in the accident. May they rest in peace
 
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RE: Plane Crashed In My Neighborhood This Afternoon

Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:55 pm

Strange, the address KMBC gave was on 148th, and the end of runway 36 is right at 151st. I used to fly out of there about 10 years ago. If he made it all the way to Quivira he must have made a pretty good right turn. I remember the days when there used to be just pasture out there....
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