dullesguy
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A380 To ORD

Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:23 am

Hello all,
Does anyone have details about when the projected date is for the A380 to make its first appearance to ORD? Are any of you all gonna try to get a picture of it when it comes? I know ORD is hard to get pics around the permiter, but getting up there for this is a must!!


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Cubsrule
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RE: A380 To ORD

Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:33 am

Who would bring the A380 to ORD? LH would have fewer seats in the ORD-FRA market if they went to 1 A380 from a 744 and a 343, and UA (the only other likely candidate) won't be buying any for a while, if at all.
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leo777
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RE: A380 To ORD

Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:17 pm

I think EK will be the first airline to bring the A380 to ORD, but dont expect to see it at ORD until about 2008, maybe a little sooner if ORD gets an A380 diversion from JFK.
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RE: A380 To ORD

Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:20 pm

I don't think the A380 will ever be in ORL.
 
iowaman
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RE: A380 To ORD

Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:24 pm

I don't think the A380 will ever be in ORL.

I agree, I don't expect the A380 to be at Orlando Exectutive Airport.  Big grin
 
dullesguy
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RE: A380 To ORD

Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:23 am

LEO777, thanks for the info, i knew it was far away just wondering a rough estimate. The A380 will show up to ORD at sometime, its one of the few airports that will be able to handle it as of now...
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RE: A380 To ORD

Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:00 am

"Who would bring the A380 to ORD? LH would have fewer seats in the ORD-FRA market if they went to 1 A380 from a 744 and a 343, and UA (the only other likely candidate) won't be buying any for a while, if at all."

Huh? LH does not operate a A343 from FRA? Its a daily 744. The A343 is from MUC. High summer season is 2x daily 744 from FRA.

It may be possible that FedEx might operate at least 1 flight via ORD with the A380F, but thats a maybe.
 
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RE: A380 To ORD

Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:24 pm

My prediction is LH in 2009 & EK in 2010. If a fourth runway is built at FRA, then crossout LH.

I would have thought a tranatlantic divert from JFK will go to east coast cities such as BDL, BOS, or now PIT since there's a huge terminal/tarmac lying largely empty.
 
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RE: A380 To ORD

Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:24 pm

Isn't 430/431 a 744 and 432/433 an A343 in the summer? 434/435 (the MUC flights) are an A343 year round. All 3 flights are A343s in the winter.
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airfinair
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RE: A380 To ORD

Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:14 pm

According to an article in today's Chicago Tribune, officials at ORD's Aviation Dept. are looking at short-term modifications for the A380 before the long-term ORD runway modernization program is finished. These include expanding taxiway entrances and exists to allow the A380 to turn without running off the taxiway.

If the recent rare and somewhat chaotic visit of an IB A346 last fall is any indication, ORD currently has very limited access for the A380.

A spokesman for the Aviation Dept. also said "We anticipate we would receive one A380 a day at O'Hare." My guess would be they're talking about FedEx. LH from FRA would be a long shot. EK would be an even longer shot. AF - no way. UPS - perhaps. ORD is a great international gateway, but I don't see it ever being a big A380 destination. (Hopefully I will be proven wrong!)

As for the LH flights to ORD, LH 430/431 from FRA is a 744 most of the year, but an A343 during the winter, as it was yesterday and is today, although that is always subject to change. LH 432/433 from FRA is an A343, and I don't recall it ever being a 744. LH 434/435 from MUC is an A343. (I remember in the recent past an LH A333 coming in, but I don't recall which flight it was.) Then there's LH 436/437's A319LR from DUS (PrivatAir.) And the many LH Cargo flights, MD-11's and 742's.
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RE: A380 To ORD

Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:30 pm

I would have thought a tranatlantic divert from JFK will go to east coast cities such as BDL, BOS, or now PIT since there's a huge terminal/tarmac lying largely empty.

Two things wrong with this statement:

I don't see BDL being able to handle an A380 anytime soon.(and by soon I mean the next 10 years or even more.) Can it even handle a 767?

Huge terminal/tarmac lying largely empty at BOS?
I don't know about the BOS that you've been to, but the BOS I know can hardly leave its tarmac empty.

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RE: A380 To ORD

Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:46 pm

Concordeless.......... PERHAPS PITTSBURG is largely empty
 
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RE: A380 To ORD

Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:57 am

Wdleiser,

I don't know much about PIT, so you might be right.
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RE: A380 To ORD

Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:00 am

PERHAPS PITTSBURG is largely empty

It will be for sure soon...  Smile
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Cubsrule
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RE: A380 To ORD

Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:25 am

What is the length difference between an A346 and an A388? I was under the impression that the A380 was actually about 3 meters shorter.

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RE: A380 To ORD

Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:38 am

The A380 is about 2.5 meters shorter than the A340-600.

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RE: A380 To ORD

Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:47 pm


I was under the impression that ORD had a shortage of slots.

If so, any airline could fly more passengers to Chicago for the same number of slots.

 
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:20 am

Cubsrule,

I think the reason for needed taxiway widening is not in the length of the A380, its the needed turning radius. The A380 may be shorter than another aircraft, but may need more room to manuver due to wheel-base dimensions. Airbus has a great collection of technical drawings for its aircraft and their associcated airport operations. Here's the link to the A380 info:

http://www.content.airbusworld.com/SITES/Technical_Data/docs/AC/DATA_CONSULT/AC_A380.pdf
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:11 am

I am not one that is too excited about the A380, mainly because of its size and the length of time it would take to board 550 passengers (if flight was full of course), and then waiting for all of the baggage to be offloaded for the baggage claim....BUT, i would take one flight on it just to say i did it.
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:26 am

A few days back they were talking about modifications for the A380 on WBBM 780 (Chicago News Radio). They mentioned that the first A380 is expected in late 2007, but I'm not sure who would be flying it here. LH & AF are the only current carrier with service to ORD who has ordered them, but a newcomer could fly them here.
 
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:29 am

What is the length difference between an A346 and an A388? I was under the impression that the A380 was actually about 3 meters shorter.

Keep in mind that the A380 has a 262 foot wingspan (making it a FAA Group VI design aircraft); in contrast, the A346 has a 208 foot wingspan (which is a Group V design category).


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Cubsrule
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:47 am

The 744's wingspan is approximately 211 feet, so the problem with the A346 is clearly length.
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BryanG
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:01 am

To the submitter who asked about BDL--- I'm not certain it could hold an A380, but I'm definitely sure it can handle up to an L-1011. When I worked for Tradewinds ours has regularly scheduled flights into BDL.
 
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:19 am

As an ORD spotter, I would love to regularly see an A380 here, but I'm not expecting it to happen much.

The change in the last few years to smaller regional aircraft - despite the slot restrictions - has me waiting a lot longer for the heavies already.

There is also very little progress being made to upgrade the airport to support the A346 let alone the A380. While I do expect that they will complete some short term fixes that will serve until the major expansion, I expect that parts of the airfield will be off limits to the A380.
 
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:21 am

ORD is not slot restricted. All reductions by UA and AA in order to reduce delays last summer were ostensibly voluntary.
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:31 am

I don't see BDL being able to handle an A380 anytime soon.(and by soon I mean the next 10 years or even more.) Can it even handle a 767?

Delta used to fly 763s from ATL to BDL in the past. Not sure if they still do.


Also, what is the story of the Iberia 346 at O'Hare? Anyone know what runways and taxiways it used and where the problems emerged?
 
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:39 am

I was under the impression that ORD had a shortage of slots. If so, any airline could fly more passengers to Chicago for the same number of slots.

Keep in mind that more than 30% of ORD departures are on RJs. The scene at the RJ terminal has been described as a reactment of the Fall of Siagon. Simply reducing half the RJ capacity to mainline aircraft would eliminate a glut of departures.

Also remember that ORD's convoluted runway arrangement will be optimized to allow for a greater number of departures in the future...
 
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:44 pm

DL still flies 767s into BDL from ATL and CVG, also AA brings an A300 from SJU. We also get regular AN124 and 747 cargo, the occasional C5 from Westover, and the AN225 has made a visit in the past; not sure if the A380 would be too heavy for our largest runway 6/24 (9510/200ft, max weight 710,000lbs) but it'd probably fit dimensions wise.
 
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RE: A380 To ORD

Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:36 pm

Iowa744fan wrote: "Also, what is the story of the Iberia 346 at O'Hare? Anyone know what runways and taxiways it used and where the problems emerged?"

I was at ORD on 9/15/04 (unfortunately at the threshold of 27L) when the IB 346 landed. It wasn't so much that there were problems, it was the fact that the airport took extra precautions for landing and while it taxied to the gate. She landed on 14R and, if I remember correctly, turned off at M, and turned again at M-6, then to the gate. I saw numerous safety vehicles trailing here to be on the safe side. What also made it an event of sorts, and again if I remember it correctly, traffic was landing on 14R, 22L, 22R at the time, with most international arrivals using the 22's. I guess they had her land on 14R just for her to keep the number of turns to a minimum.

To quote an article in the Chicago Tribune the next day, "The Federal Aviation Administration has listed about 30 taxiway intersections at O'Hare where the plane should not taxi because the landing gear could end up in mud or grass if a perfect turn were not executed." I think this also applies to the A380. While I would assume an A380 could land, it would be with severe restrictions if it took place today.

Here's the link to the IB 346 discussion on that day:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1741804/4/
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RE: A380 To ORD

Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:52 am

To add a little to Finair: The 346 parked at M11 and departed from M11 rather than it's usual departure from a gate on the north side of Concourse L (L6 I think). I'm not sure what runway it departed from, but 32L would be my guess and would not have posed too much of a taxi problem.
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